djar-em-rekh: thetwistedrope:djehutydevo:arachnospooky:anaputuwet:obsidianservant:girlandf

djar-em-rekh: thetwistedrope: djehutydevo: arachnospooky: anaputuwet: obsidianservant: girlandfox: smarmykemeticpagan: actualjackmorrison: was looking into Kemetic temples to worship at around here. And I contacted temple of anu and boy are they transphobic. McYikes Which Temple exactly is this? me: looks @ gods like Ra who is called the Great He-She and Hapi who is a man w/ boobs and also historical figures such as the beard-wearing Pharaoh Hatshesut And Nit would not be happy about their response either. the ignorance towards their own religion is wild In the spirit of ma'at my ass… Humility is a virtue in our religion… Being judgemental not so much. Be careful when applying modern standards to an ancient belief and language system … while I’m not sure what we need to be careful of, I will throw in there that, as far as I know, Temple of Anu is Afrocentric, and isn’t strictly Kemetic. Not that that negates the transphobia, but still, worth mentioning. Who is “we”? Does somebody give you the power to talk for others? :D I already said what to be careful about. If you read a bit of scholarly work you should have noticed, that ancient Egypt lies worlds apart from modern society. But to return to the main subject of this “thread”: As somebody being devoted to Hatmehyt I think I should say something about gender and sex in relation to kemetic deities. If you love drama keep reading on: Hatmehyt is little known here - I have been struggling with research, because she just loves to hide in the time stream. I did find her though now and then. One of the temples in which she has been worshipped is actually the one in Dendera. There are some inscriptions and depictions on the wall showing her in different stages of the Osirian myth with or without her husband Banebdjedet. One of those depictions shows her as a deity having both sexes (call it hermaphrodite). This does not mean she would be transsexual - it just means that she does carry in herself the duality of male and female as One. Foremost or Chief of the Fishes, the first one to be (some scholars theorize). Does this mean she would not accept worship from a transgender person? I doubt it. Actually she would be an understanding and caring Goddess. But do not call her trans. And this is the subject here rubbing me in the wrong directions: Neith also unifies the duality of sex, but do not call her a trans deity, even if she, as Hatmehyt, would probably be awesome deities to consult in such matters. Sex and gender are different things. Nobody knows which gender Gods feel they have. A hermaphrodite mother goddess is for my taste too vast of a concept to be reduced to a gender discussion, because the symbolism is aiming at creation and rejuvenation and not at a gender discussion. Then somebody mentioned Hatshepsut… ok. Hatshepsut never EVER stopped being female. She acted male for state reasons, for religious reasons. Horus was never female - he is a very male God. Hence there cannot be a Queen ruling Egypt ever. So she transformed for ritual and state matters into a man. That is not a gender issue in our modern sense of the term. It is a conscious and calculated decision of a ruling person - a Queen. And those decisions are based on many other reasons than identifying as a person with the opposite sex. And another thing itching my back: why is an Afrocentrist temple not kemetic? Now that is something I really would love to know. They worship kemetic Gods with the rituals of old, otherwise OP would not have asked about joining. So … why is that also something to take into account when diagnosing transphobia? Is it an explanation that about excuses the behavior? Would a non afrocentrist temple have been torn to pieces by some tumblr bloggers for transphobic behavior? Endless questions. I am young here on tumblr - I look for answers :D Re: “ Who is “we”? Does somebody give you the power to talk for others? :D” Devo was obviously talking about kemetic practitioners in general. You’ve really got some fucking gall acting as though they were out of line for using a collective pronoun for everyone who worships kemetic deities when all you’ve done this whole time is talk down to, and over, trans kemetics. Anyhow, reblogging for reference as to djehutydevo’s comments about the historical reasons they responded as they did to the post. It was of course alleged that I “didn’t read it” because the only possible reason I could not be swayed by this reasoning is that I didn’t read it or didn’t understand it, as I’m too ‘uneducated’ -this group sure does adore pretending their knowledge of AE qualifies them to talk down to everybody else on every single topic known to humanity. However, everything stated in this reblog was addressed by this paragraph:“And ‘trans reasoning’, as in the literal phrasing of ‘transgender’ and other words we now use to describe trans people, is ‘modern’, but people who have not identified or conformed to their assigned gender have existed all over the world for thousands of years. To insist that we can’t point out deities with multiple genders shows the ancients may not have had the transphobic view that this temple does, because they wouldn’t have literally called themselves ‘transgender’, is just grasping at straws for reasons to defend this bullshit. And besides, is the problem here what the ancients thought, or what modern people are doing to other modern (trans) people?” Djehutydevo’s response includes going through each instance brought up by kemetics of historical or religious gender non-conformity to point out details about that non-conformity, for no other reason than to insist that we don’t “call them trans” -even though nobody actually called any of our deities trans, only pointed out that the transphobic ideas espoused by this temple are more a product of modern prejudices about sex and gender than of any real religious precedence for refusing to accept trans people into a temple. And once again, I want to point out the callousness of this response to outright, blatant exclusion of trans people in a religious space. Djehutydevo and those agreeing with them are insisting their only issues with this post was ‘applying modern words to ancient beings’ and so on, but why? Nobody was actually saying that ancient people were ‘transgender’ or insisting that they would use our terms and understanding of gender -Djehutydevo only chose to pretend we were so they could mask their transphobia as concern for historical accuracy. They’ve insisted that they weren’t defending the temple or being transphobic, but during this interaction, they’ve repeatedly insulted my intelligence for having the audacity to call out transphobia, going so far as to say I lack the ability for ‘structured thinking’; repeatedly misgendered me; and then to top it all off, downright defended the actions of this temple, saying: “There is a place for everybody on this world regardless of gender sex personality educational level and origin. It is every person’s cup of tea to find it. So - don’t try making your cup of tea the cup of tea of others. Take care of your own life and don’t distract yourself from what you don’t like there by attacking ppl to profile yourself.” According to them, being upset about or calling out transphobia on the internet is wrong because respecting our existences and identities is ‘just not everyone’s cup of tea’.So, I’d really like to not hear anyone trying to tell me that this whole thing didn’t come from a place of transphobia and intolerance, thanks. -SmarmyP.S. jsyk, ‘hermaphrodite’ is generally considered a slur nowadays; ‘intersex’ is now the preferred term. -- source link

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