oscarspoe: You’re right. I am not a trustworthy person. The best thing you can do is to leave
oscarspoe: You’re right. I am not a trustworthy person. The best thing you can do is to leave me the hell alone. Believe me, nothing would make me happier. Unfortunately - #GOSH#literally since s2 these two have been in this stupid competition over cam and gordon and they both barely realize it till now#do NOt talk to me abt the way that donna’s voice cracks on cam’s name#do NOT (@banrions)I would argue that actually they’ve been in competition with each other since S1, and it’s something that they have always known on some level but it took 12 years for one of them (Donna of course) to actually say it out loud. If you go back and look at the time, it’s always been the push and pull of these two: over Gordon in S1 and how his involvement with building the Giant was affecting his and Donna’s family. On Joe’s side it rankled him anytime Donna got involved with the Giant, when Donna solved the heat sink issue, Donna’s father helped them seal the deal, Donna ended up going with them to the convention. Donna was never supposed to be in this project in S1 but unfortunately for Joe, without her, it fails— and that always put her in slight contention with Joe because she also got to pull the family card with Gordon. It always is a sticking point that Donna was always Gordon’s first idea partner and best friend. Family and work partner.it gets even worse when you factor in Cam, because Cameron is supposed to be Joe’s in S1, right? Except Donna is the one looking out for her when she realizes the unhealthy power dynamics between Cam and Joe, how she reacts when she realizes Joe was the one to erase the disks, what happened when she saw the Giant get stripped of Cam’s genius. She stayed at the distance at the time, because she didn’t feel like it was her place, but she did little things to validate Cam (your code is like music), and there is a reason why Cam knew Donna was a safe place to land and ultimately would be a better partner to her than Joe. And you know Joe definitely resented that.And so as the seasons progress, you see this competition they have with each other, this failure to see the other as human: Joe because the man is incapable of seeing anyone as anything but collaborator, rival, or non-work family/friend; Donna because she cares so much for Cam and Gordon and knows how badly Joe hurt them. When it comes down to it, that is what it is. Donna has never seen him as someone worth protecting, so he’s only ever been on the receiving side of her ruthless protectiveness of Cam and Gordon. Joe has never experienced a sense of real conflict and inner contradictions before.Early S1-S3 Joe isn’t really built for anything but black and white, whereas Donna has always been shifting in grey, juggling various roles of mother, wife, partner, boss, rival, mentor, mentee. She exists in complexities and multitudes in ways that Joe does not because he is emotionally stunted.Where Donna has decades of constantly negotiating wins between work and family, Joe is new to this whole “actual caring family that I can love beyond what use they have for me.” Haley does wonders for him in that regard but Gordon still had to put limits on him and how much she took on. Joe and Cam only worked because they weren’t working together.(Whereas the reason why Donna and Cam hurt so much when they broke was because they lost their best work partner and best friend. It’s also why they were able to heal and work together again, because they worked so well together as friends and partners). It’s really only until Joe sees how torn up Donna is about it, that he realizes she isn’t a bad person— she doesn’t have an angle. She is just someone who has a lot of conflict of interest. It isn’t about screwing him, it is about helping THEM. And ironically, Donna comes to realize that Joe is capable of feeling at exactly the same time, because that is the moment they lose Gordon, and she realizes Joe is very, very human.In the end, they only really see each other in the wake of losing Gordon and the shared grief they have. And fueled by a desire to make sure Cam and Haley don’t lose another important person in their lives, only then does acceptance settles in. That keeping Cam and Haley happy means that they are forever linked in some way, and they stop fighting so much because Donna finally accepts that Joe is part of her family and Joe finally experiences a sense of care from Donna. It’s loss that ties them together, which is what makes it so bittersweet. -- source link
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