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ms-qualia:msheadbanging:farawayacrossthesea:reyloeyesofmist:kanjiklubs:get your shit together kyloI think he did sense his father both on Takodana and SKB, including when Han was looking at him by the bridge but tried to avoid him because he knew if he confronted him he “had to kill him” because Snoke had ordered him to kill him to gain the right to complete his training. Why hadn’t Snoke completed Kylo’s training after more than 6 years on the DS? Because he doesn’t trust him completely and killing Han would be a proof of trust. This is not unheard of in fanatic and criminal organizations. But Kylo didn’t want to kill his father and that’s why he avoided him (and Leia) for years. On that catwalk he was trying to get away so that he didn’t have to kill Han. He sent the ST troppers away from where Han was and tried to leave himself, but Han called him out. There’s no reason to think he wanted to lure him to the bridge to kill him “dramatically” when he sent all the ST away and didn’t know Rey and Finn would come to witness what was going to happen. This makes no sense whatsoever unless you think the scene was being shot, which is absurd. Drama is great for a movie but the characters are obviosly not thinking of a non-existent audience. Or do you think Kylo was thinking of movie goers and chose a “dramatic” place to kill Han? XD. And if you pay attention to the scene, the acting, what is going on there, it is clear Kylo didn’t want to confront Han, but Han called him out because he was his son and he wanted to save him from Snoke and the DS, like Leia asked him to do. He did what any parent would do. With the occasional exception, parents do anything for their children and Han Solo was willing to do anything for his.Couldn’t agree more with all of this! Especially regarding killing Han/Snoke’s trust. Snoke clearly didn’t trust Kylo fully - and rightly so, apparently; Kylo’s allegiance is very much in conflict in that scene. I’m quite sure Kylo was trying to avoid killing Han, and only brought himself to it when it became unavoidable. I wonder about the expression his face in that moment when he stops after Han calls out to him - I’d wager that it’s resignation, and I think he’s steeling himself for the task ahead. He still made the choice - but he didn’t want to make that choice, and that’s key. I find this all fairly promising in terms of Kylo’s redemption prospects.It’s also in the script:So how come from Kylo Ren’s perspective Han’s nowhere to be seen? And how come just a few feet further he is “unaware of his father?”Based on the OT, Vader could feel that Obi-Wan was on the Death Star, but just didn’t seem to have enough information to find him quickly. The Force doesn’t appear to give him information on directionality or even approximate distance (beyond “near”).It seems to work like a really imprecise game of “hot / cold.” And good thing it does, because it’d have made the original trilogy pretty short if it was easy to track people down.I think it’s kind of a stretch to say Kylo did not want to do what he did. I mean, he did it. He wanted to do it more than he did not want to evidently. Being conflicted doesn’t change that. He was conflicted, what he wanted more won out. -- source link