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sablevenus:egalitarian-vanguard:sablevenus:egalitarian-vanguard:mytwistedexperience:tumbl-gr8p:I saw Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and how many white peoples showed up to the play dressed like wizards ‍♂️? LOADS!! They was EXTRA. Also how many slept outside the theatre to get tickets! Hell how many camp outside a fucking Apple store to buy a phone? Extra all day.Seriously. I’m not dressing up. But I’m enjoying the hell out of everyone making it an event. And it’s not only fans. My theater had either a radio station or something that had professional people dressed as black panther for people to pose and take pics with. A school had a table out with concession vouchers for their students for the school sponsored screening. Another theater had balloons out to celebrate the opening and the giant cardboard out for people to take pics with. It’s a marvel movie, which is usually a big deal. But this movie is a big event and is being treated as such because it fucking is for various obvious reasons. If Marvel is allowed to celebrate it, why the fuck can’t black people? And what about the nonblack people dressing up for the movie? How come they aren’t being chastised for their excitement? Someone needs to check their internal white gaze and stop being upset that they are too embarrassed and concerned about white people’s opinion to show their excitement for a great movie along with everyone else. It’s okay. Regardless of anything, Black Panther was made with love by Ryan Coogler and the cast. He wants black people from everywhere to enjoy it. It’s an insult to the effort that he and the cast and crew put into it to tell people to tone down their enthusiasm because you can’t acknowledge your white gaze reflex. Ryan Coogler, the cast and crew along with Marvel want us to celebrate it and have fun. And black people are simply exercising that right. For the one movie that we have all the rights to do it for. Bask in that instead of being the grinch about it. This is overall an apologist response on the overall atmosphere that Twitter and more directly Black Twitter is doing as normal. It isn’t.Let’s be clear, the majority of people aren’t going off people cosplaying, doing events. etc. It’s the politics honey.IT’S THE POLITICS.Let’s think about this for a moment. Was Black Panther a popular comic book character?  Was Black Panther an iconic super hero for decades within the Black Community?Black Panther isn’t popular. He has a following, but compared to other heavy hitters of Black Heroes such as Blade, Luke Cage, and Storm (To Which all either had been feature in or gotten their own movies.)Further more, Black Panther was not even in demand. Just taking a look at some of the blogs here. If you go back anything further than 4 years, you will see that the majority of these people apeing over Black Panther have in fact never even mentioned it. It was only UNTIL Marvel announced it, that people realized there was a Black Superhero of this grade and THEN wanted to get in on it.This isn’t like other fan bases where people were hyped to see the Avengers Movie after reading the comic book for years, doing blogs, writing fanfiction and making art. Black Panther is a hollow, excitement. The only reason for this excitement isn’t over any heroics, or ethics, or examples, or stories, it’s because he is black. That’s it. And if race is hte only thing driving you to see a super hero movie, then it shows you have a lot of issues to work out with race.@egalitarian-vanguard your assessment is overly simplistic. Everything is political - especially in the Marvel universe (X-Men, Captain America…?), but to discount someone’s excitement as “hollow” based upon his/her enthusiasm for positive racial representation is arrogant. Yes - I am excited this a movie FULL of black people. It’s not like we have many in the current market. But…it’s not JUST because he’s black. He is the king of an African nation that was not colonized by Europeans…a nation wise enough to play upon the ignorance of Europeans to protect their exceptionally technologically advanced utopia. We live in a world where black people are told DAILY they are inferior. African nations and their peoples are constantly derided as primitive and violent. The president of the US called countries from this continent shitholes. The African empires of Mali, Songhai, and Ghana are treated as footnotes in history. Yes - the excitement for such black excellence is far from hollow.And we haven’t even touched on the powerful representation of black women in this film…unapologetically strong without the typical storyline of shrinking themselves to fit in a space not created for them or of love to distract them from their purpose. So what people were unaware of Black Panther’s existence? Now they are. That’s the purpose of advertisement and exposure. To create new fans. Their motivation for becoming a fan is irrelevant in the grand scheme of it all. Let people be excited - whatever their reason. @egalitarian-vanguard your assessment is overly simplistic. Everything is political - especially in the Marvel universe (X-Men, Captain America…?), but to discount someone’s excitement as “hollow” based upon his/her enthusiasm for positive racial representation is arrogant. It is hollow because racial representation is an overall hollow experience. Going over this reply, your arguments as to why this representation is important is a self created one. I’ll go through each of these point by point.Yes - I am excited this a movie FULL of black people. It’s not like we have many in the current market. But…it’s not JUST because he’s black. He is the king of an African nation that was not colonized by Europeans…a nation wise enough to play upon the ignorance of Europeans to protect their exceptionally technologically advanced utopia. Yes, that’s sort of the point of making this film. It’s a fantasy and what if’s. That’s not the problem. I like the concept, the bit BUT in the room here is that it still starts off with being Black. It’s not just the fact it’s black, but it is the core of the argument it.We live in a world where black people are told DAILY they are inferior. African nations and their peoples are constantly derided as primitive and violent.   From who, White Supremacist and thier flimsy science which they never read? Twitter response? Shitposters? The president of the US called countries from this continent shitholes. The African empires of Mali, Songhai, and Ghana are treated as footnotes in history. Yes - the excitement for such black excellence is far from hollow.The shithole issue from Trump is whole different topic, and it’s almost sad you want to ham fist that into this topic. But I suppose topics like that are the reason why SUDDENLY Black Panther got popular with the idea of Ethno-Nationalism among both Whites AND Blacks.And we haven’t even touched on the powerful representation of black women in this film…unapologetically strong without the typical storyline of shrinking themselves to fit in a space not created for them or of love to distract them from their purpose. Which is nice, but no one is even bringing this topic up. Besides you, I only read about this specific sub-group of human representation on, mostly from said group. So again, you are ham-fisting topics into this discussion that is not needed.So what people were unaware of Black Panther’s existence? Now they are. That’s the purpose of advertisement and exposure. To create new fans. Their motivation for becoming a fan is irrelevant in the grand scheme of it all. Fans to me are Fanatics, which I am seeing very few new Blacks becoming. Looking at your blog, I see Zero fan art of Black Panther, no fan fiction, no OC ideas, nothing. If you are going to defend this idea, then please do try to be  an example, as you are proving my point on how it is hollow.How can one not see this as hollow when your very own blog echos true to being hollow for being fanatical about Black Panther?Let people be excited - whatever their reason. You fill this reply with nothing but side topic fillers but your core argument doesn’t support this conclusion. Again, the main issues is HOW they are handling it. And that issue is not over ethnic pride,but ethnic hate. Hating other peoples race is not okay, never was, never will be. It does not matter who is hating the race, or who is the recipient. Perhaps my view of the world is going to be different since I am mixed from the people of three continents, but I don’t approve of anyone being a racist to anyone else. Furthermore, it also supports this strange idea that one’s race is superior over thier humanity. At the core of all comic book stories, they are stories of humanity. I will enjoy Black Panther for it’s Humanity elements , not the Black ones. And I can easily say with certainly that a person of any race will equally find enjoyment and relations to this movie because it is about Humans. Black Humans are just a mere flavor we are naming it, nothing more.In what way is racial representation hollow? I can see just based upon this statement alone you lack the ability to think critically. Like it or not,the color of someone’s skin will dictate how s/he is perceived by society. None of that is self created. You make that claim with nothing to back it up. Science proves otherwise, so I don’t need to.It’s not just because he’s black. If that were the case, the same excitement would have existed with other black characters. The movie is black excellence. Yes, the nation of Wakanda is fictional, but even in fiction, blacks are confined to spaces defined by poverty and violence. We can hash out the back stories of the black super heroes you mentioned just to further highlight this point.Your lack of ability to acknowledge the poor perception of black peoples from every continent and the impact of that reality is not surprising. I used the example of Trump’s recent statement as an example of how this negativity is an everyday occurrence. Blacks aren’t celebrating an ethno-state… Where did you even get that idea? Say it wth me… positive representation & excellence. No one is calling for the cleansing of white people to create Wakanda.Maybe you need to expand who you follow and what you consume. I’ve seen plenty posted about this film’s portrayal of women from more than black women. Your lack of exposure isn’t proof of lack of existence. My blog has none of my fandoms on it, so that ad hominem attack is exceptionally ineffective. My tastes in music, art, and literature are barely mentioned on this platform, but I have varied interests and passions. I don’t need to prove anything about what I like, follow, or support; that’s not why I have a Tumblr. We can go back and forth on Black Panther, and dive into his character, the problematic relationship with Storm, Shuri’s eventual donning of the mantle and still not scratch the surface. And who placed you as gatekeeper? Don’t embarrass yourself like that again. Who is using hate to celebrate this film? Your post mentioned nothing about people hating another race. You can’t change an argument mid-debate. Additionally, your multiethnic ancestry does not preclude you from being able to think critically and has nothing to do with this discussion. My conclusion is quite supported. It doesn’t matter WHY black people are suddenly fans. I don’t see anyone arguing that whites or others should not be fans or enjoy the film. Graphic novels are political. The creation of specific storylines are often in response to social issues current to their introduction. To pretend otherwise is to ignore an important part of this genre of literature. So again… let people be excited about this positive black representation. Let them dress up, be proud to be black in a world that tells them not to be, be excited that a black nation isn’t depicted as war torn and primitive, and celebrate its existence. No one needs your approval or permission. In what way is racial representation hollow? I didn’t say racial representation was hollow. I said it was an hollow experience. Don’t manipulate my words for your choosing.I can see just based upon this statement alone you lack the ability to think critically. Off one statement, in which I never expanded on, yet you ask to expand on it, you think I can’t think critically? Did you really just do that?You ask me a question to expand and then in the next statement you say I can’t do it. Pick a stance and please follow through on it. Like it or not,the color of someone’s skin will dictate how s/he is perceived by society.  None of that is self created. You make that claim with nothing to back it up. Science proves otherwise, so I don’t need to. It is self created. Society has created these caste, and predjudices, and and tensions, both on the socity and individual level. If you are to evoke science, then you will need to have something of an article or journal to discuss about. Saying “. Science proves otherwise, so I don’t need to“ Is something I seen White Supremacist say as well, and they aslo don’t provide evidence to back up their point. Don’t be like that.It’s not just because he’s black. If that were the case, the same excitement would have existed with other black characters. The movie is black excellence. Yes, the nation of Wakanda is fictional, but even in fiction, blacks are confined to spaces defined by poverty and violence. We can hash out the back stories of the black super heroes you mentioned just to further highlight this point. The elements of this story can easily be modified to be a hidden kingdom for a different colored race and the majority of the story elements would not be lost in the process. Which is why, at it’s core, it’s a Black story that is driving this train, you agree with it, and I agree with it. But that’s not the main reason we are here.Your lack of ability to acknowledge the poor perception of black peoples from every continent and the impact of that reality is not surprising I have acknowledge this topic in the past, that’s not why I dismissed your point. I dismissed your point, because I don’t see how it relates to the main argument we are discussing. Blacks aren’t celebrating an ethno-state… Where did you even get that idea? I feel like you are intentionally misreading my statements. There are several groups that support idea. Including The Black Panthers and Nation of Islam as the most iconic groups that come off the first ones off my list. What I am implying, is that this thought of Black Nationalism is on a rise, and this Movie is being released right when such ideas are being passed around again. No one is calling for the cleansing of white people to create Wakanda.I don’t even know where this statement came from. So I am curious how you concluded to even say this. Maybe you need to expand who you follow and what you consume. I’ve seen plenty posted about this film’s portrayal of women from more than black women. Your lack of exposure isn’t proof of lack of existence. Two things.1. I already dismissed this argument, as it’s not the main topic. Females inclusion about Black Panther is a second fiddle topic, a topic which we are not discussing.2.I  sub to a variety of folks on the spectrum. But, I also know that I, nor anyone else is going to see everything on the internet. Which is why I am not concluding it doesn’t exist, only that I haven’t seen it. My blog has none of my fandoms on it, so that ad hominem attack is exceptionally ineffective. My tastes in music, art, and literature are barely mentioned on this platform, but I have varied interests and passions. I don’t need to prove anything about what I like, follow, or support; that’s not why I have a Tumblr. We can go back and forth on Black Panther, and dive into his character, the problematic relationship with Storm, Shuri’s eventual donning of the mantle and still not scratch the surface. This is quite a defensive response.  All you had to do was elaborate what your blog is. That’s it. And who placed you as gatekeeper? When did I say I was the gatekeeper of anything? You’re lashing out, and that’s not helping anyone.Who is using hate to celebrate this film? Your post mentioned nothing about people hating another race. You can’t change an argument mid-debate. I didn’t change it, I just failed to bring it up. I will take the hit for that.Additionally, your multiethnic ancestry does not preclude you from being able to think critically and has nothing to do with this discussion. I’m not sure how you combined my mix heritage to not thinking critically. If you wish to say my heritage and my ethncities have nothing to do with this discussion, than fine, as long as you do the same, I won’t have a problem with it.My conclusion is quite supported. It doesn’t matter WHY black people are suddenly fans. I don’t see anyone arguing that whites or others should not be fans or enjoy the film. Graphic novels are political. The creation of specific storylines are often in response to social issues current to their introduction. The WHY is the core issue. If I may, didn’t you say before that just because you didn’t see it, doesn’t make it non-existent? So if that is the case about Female Empowerment about this movie, why would it not be, at it’s root, the toxcity of how people are treating this movie?So again… let people be excited about this positive black representation. Let them dress up, be proud to be black in a world that tells them not to be, be excited that a black nation isn’t depicted as war torn and primitive, and celebrate its existence. That wasn’t the problem or my concern, and you know that. I said it clearly that wasn’t my problem.No one needs your approval or permission. Then why did you even respond to what I have to say? This is an edgelord response if I ever heard one. If this is the case that no one needs anything from me, then fine, it would explain greatly how you are mistreading and ignoring my stances.Listen, I respect your position and your point of view, but if you can’t reciprocate this feeling, then I’m sorry, I’m not going to stand around as you take subtle jabs at me and coming at me with a closed mind. -- source link

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