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discourse-wizard:earlgraytay:silver-and-ivory:discourse-wizard:silver-and-ivory:discourse-wizard:Followed this trans positivity blog, saw this, unfollowed. Saying men suck isnt transphobia it’s expressing outrage against sexism, society loves men, society does Not say girls are better than boys holy shit what world do you live in and why do you hate women“All men suck” can sometimes be a valid thing for someone to say when they are really mad!But it’s also understandable that having it be a common statement and an agreed-upon-belief in one’s community might make a male-identifying person feel bad about themselves. In particular, I’ve heard of some cis women actively discouraging trans men to stay women or to disavow their male identity because the cis women believe that all men suck. This is a really bad thing to do and it arises from Othering men.I don’t think it’s structural oppression of men by women. I do think that hating and Othering men can be harmful at a local level to individuals.I also think that the patriarchal society we live in encourages gender essentialism and oppositional sexism: that is, it encourages women to hate men and men to hate women. It’s not particularly radical for a woman to say that she hated men. For this reason alone - for the sake of avoiding sexism and binaryism- I think that Othering men should be discouraged.“Missndry cw” akdhs why are you So stupidIf saying “men suck” hurts a man’s little feelings then he needs to analyze his own sexism and the way he contributes sexism to society and subconscious bias against women and the idea that He’s One Of the Good Ones, Never A MisogynistI warn for misandry cw for a variety of complicated reasons.I don’t like your lack of care for men’s “little feelings”. Care to explain why men’s feelings aren’t important to you?I think that it is important for men to recognize the advantages society gives them over women, and to recognize that anyone, including themselves, could be acting in sexist ways. Women, as well as men, contribute to sexist norms.I absolutely agree that saying “men suck” is sometimes valid, and that if said in a moment of anger or frustration it is definitely excusable.On a larger scale - perhaps on a community scale - when this is a commonly held and commonly repeated belief, it might end up making trans men afraid to come out or it might make a community more hostile to trans men. This is harmful to trans men because, yes, it hurts their little feelings.Such a situation might be harmful to cis men. Belittling men’s concerns and looking down at men might make people unfairly dismiss or sneer at both cis and trans men. It might make people care less about legitimately sad or vulnerable men, which means that patriarchal standards for men are reinforced, not challenged. This is bad!Sexism teaches women to hate men. This is bad because it’s a traditional part of sexism, and because it relies on ideas of maleness and femaleness are opposite and opposed to each other. This idea is transphobic and binaryist; it also contributes to sexist assumptions about what women can do or what men can do. I think that this is bad and that feminsts should try to avoid spreading these kinds of ideas.As a trans man, I can confirm: I was pressured to identify as a different gender, because Masculinity Is Bad + Men Are Orcs rhetoric was rampant in the first ‘real’ trans community I was in.Pressuring a trans man to not identify as a man is just classic transphobia not “transmisandry”. Misandry doesnt exist! “Masculinity is bad” also sounds like some butch hating lesbophobia nonsense, not “transmisandry”. Men Are Orcs, men have the power to abuse everyone else in society through misogny, there are actual societal consequaences of men having more power than everyone else. Trans men dont get an excuse to say “well i’m Trans man so it hurts my feelings to recognize male privilege and sexism” that’s bullshit and it’s clear that men want to ignore their privilege but they shouldnt fucking do that!Hard-line exclusion of men, trans or otherwise, is a type of radical feminism. It’s specifically a manifestation of lesbian separatism.It targets trans men for being men, trans women for being “not real women,” and nonbinary people for being “not women, and thus basically men.” It also targets cis men for being men. It also targets any cis woman who isn’t exclusively involved with other women romantically, sexually, platonically, and familially, for being “subservient” to men. This is where the “lesbian separatism” aspect becomes more obvious. There is a real sense of catharsis in saying “men suck shit” when you’ve just been targeted by sexism.But that sense of catharsis is constantly preyed upon by radical feminists seeking to eliminate all trans people from society.Whether or not any given individual intends transphobia with their performative hatred of men, holding a hard line towards devaluing men serves and benefits transphobes, radfems, and terfs.Not every person who says men should die is a terf.But a lot are, and all terfs benefit from expanding this belief. XOXOX Yazminx -- source link

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