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tayorswift:dingdongyouarewrong:tayorswift:dingdongyouarewrong:tayorswift:dingdongyouarewrong: traycakes:dingdongyouarewrong: falconwhitaker:dingdongyouarewrong: i get what this person is going for. and i’m not going to touch the taylor swift parts of this post because that’s not the part of this post i want to talk about. but “getting ‘cancelled’ is people finding out something about you, talking about it for a week, causing you to take like 3 weeks off and then everyone just moves on.” no it isn’t. “‘getting cancelled’ involves a few tweets and an apology note…. not years and years of therapy.” no it doesn’t. just because you’re only invested in one particular individual experiencing targeted mass harassment doesn’t mean that the typical experience for other people ‘just involves a few tweets and not therapy’ This feels like a part of the phenomenon you were talking about in your West Elm Caleb video – the way in which people take specific words like gas-lighting and misuse them to the point that the original meaning is lost.The fact “getting cancelled” can mean anything from “you take a few weeks off and apologise” to “you end up needing large amounts of therapy” suggests to me we need to use better, more specific language to describe what happens to people online. absolutely. people use ‘cancelled’ to mean anything from ‘lightly criticized’ to ‘suffered a years-long sustained mass harassment campaign to the point of suicide attempts’. it’s not a useful framework at this point The solution is to stop referring to targeted harassment campaigns as “being cancelled,” because doing so trivializes the harm that comes from harassment campaign while letting people being mildly criticized for bigotry play the victim.Sorry but the original post was right, being cancelled is when you say a slur and people tweet about it so you stay off social media for a few weeks then give an interview on FOX news. It’s a way to avoid criticism and not have to apologize by trying to frame your critics as the real villains after you fuck up. It is NOT when someone is harassed, we already have the word “harassment” to describe that and don’t need to say that it is being “cancelled.” just because you want the word “being cancelled” to exclusively refer to assholes who post slurs and pretend to be affected by the backlash doesn’t make it actually true, in practice, that the only instances that are considered cancellation are justified criticism of saying slurs. and in this current world we actually live in and not in a hypothetical world where the only thing considered cancellation in our collective cultural lexicon is People Saying Slurs, if you say “being cancelled doesn’t matter and doesn’t affect anyone”, then yeah, you’re going to sound like an asshole, because we culturally understand ‘cancellation’ to also mean what happened to people like isabel fall or people like august ames or people like zoe quinn. you might want us to use different words for different things (and i agree with that! we need better frames works to describe these incidents) but in our present day, just saying with your whole chest “being cancelled is just mild criticism of conservatives”, just functionally serves to dismiss and downplay actual mass-mobbing, usually of marginalized people.  @dingdongyouarewrong hey can i ask a genuine question? why am i included in this at all? it has nothing to do with what i was saying in the post and could have been a completely separate post all on it’s own.to screenshot my post, include my url, but also not tag me out of some fear i would see it, and then say ‘i’m gonna completely ignore the context of this post and just talk about one problem i have with the overall concept of it’ it very strange to me. it also just comes across as incredibly rude and condescending to use my words when i’m sitting right there, on the top of the post, and not include me in the conversation. you can easily make your own post and talk about all these topics because it is a complex issue. one that i should not have been used as some weird attention grabbing screenshot for. … because you made a popular post with specific statements on the nature of what ‘cancelling’ entails that were patently untrue, and i disagreed with those statements, and wanted to lay out why they were false and why i disagreed with them. i wasn’t talking to you; i recognize you were largely using your post to talk about a taylor swift thing, which isn’t the conversation i wanted to enter. regardless, you made definitive statements that weren’t true. i didn’t respond to you because that clearly wasn’t the conversation you wanted to have with this post, but it was a popular post made in a public forum containing untrue statements nevertheless. i don’t mean to be rude but this isn’t about you; it’s about disagreeing with a popular post saying incorrect things about the mass harassment of public figures, a topic i have a vested interest in.  you just flat out said it. ‘this isn’t about you’so then why was i included in something not about me? why not make your own post about what you disagree with within this mindset/topic? ‘i recognize you were largely using your post to talk about a taylor swift thing, which isn’t the conversation i wanted to enter’so if you didn’t want to enter it… why make it a huge screenshot at the beginning of the post? why include it at all? if you don’t want to interact with it… don’t interact with it?again, it’s incredibly condescending and passive aggressive to include me in the conversation (in fact you started it with me, my post is in the first thing on this entire post) without actually including me. it’s very backhanded and immature. make your own posts about your own conversation. it doesn’t matter if you believe the things i said were ‘blatantly untrue’. that’s not what my post was about. so don’t make it the header of your post and use me for some hype. end of the story.  ‘why make it a huge screenshot at the beginning of the post? why include it at all?’ because i was responding to the things you said? to the claims you made?  publicly? that gained recognition and popularity despite being untrue and spreading misinformation about harassment campaigns? just because they were not the primary, intended topic of your post doesn’t mean you were not spreading harmful misinformation. i’m honestly baffled as to how you don’t understand why a disagreement with your words included your words. i’m sorry you took umbrage with your public statements being disagreed with publicly but i’m genuinely baffled as to what your grievance is here. best of luck with whatever you have going on in your life and i hope you have a good rest of your day.  why are you so condescending? stop giving the ‘i’m sorry you got offended’ bullshit. i do not take ‘umbrage with my public statements being disagreed with publicly’. no issue with you disagreeing with me, i couldn’t care less actually. that not at all what this is about. i knew people would disagree with me the moment i made the post. people sent me messages/asks about their disagreements, every argument has a back and forth. i started the argument, people were kind enough to include me in their responses. what an argument is not is someone voicing their opinions and then not giving the other one an opportunity to speak because they were not made aware their was an argument going on in the first place, no one told them, but don’t worry… almost 600+ other people knew and were laughing at you without your knowledge. it’s the fact that you had the nerve to screenshot it like i simply don’t deserve to be aware. it’s like you were hiding it from me because you knew it was rude.gain some respect for others, and don’t include people in a conversation they did not ask to be a part of.  -- source link
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