acafanmom:violethuntress:johnstached:For my Tiger, that wanted John’s heaving chest when he puts She

acafanmom:violethuntress:johnstached:For my Tiger, that wanted John’s heaving chest when he puts Sherlock on the stretcher.I feel like I need to talk about this scene. I just keep looking at it and staring. Something big is going on here. I wish there were a way to make a small comment without seeming to hijack a post - I really like this analysis and just want to take a stab at VH’s question - why?? Put simply, I think both of them are deep in a somewhat divided state, each desperately wanting what they’d once had together, and both feeling like they have no claim to it - Sherlock because he wants John to have that ‘normal’ life he seems to have chosen over a life with Sherlock in getting married, and John because he believes Sherlock no longer needs him (a sense of which we get as early as TSoT, when drunk!John murmurs, “I’m here if you want me” under his breath as he drowses on the sofa).Underpinning all of this is a world of hurt, and I think this is kind of critical to what’s going on as well. For Sherlock’s part, well, about the time he’s envisioning Mary, in her wedding dress, shooting him, it’s pretty clear that Sherlock has taken John’s marriage a lot harder than he’s been letting on - although removing John’s chair is also a pretty pointed indication of this as well. But John, too, feels twice abandoned by Sherlock, I think - once when he fell, and again when Sherlock seems to pass him by, to leave him behind (that shot of the door at Bart’s closing behind Sherlock - cutting John off - speaks volumes here). So that, I think by this point, Sherlock is pushing John away both for what he perceives as John’s own good and because John has hurt him in abandoning him for Mary; and I think John is in a very similar situation, cutting Sherlock out both because he thinks it’s what Sherlock wants, and also because Sherlock has hurt him in doing it to him first. So that when Sherlock offers reason after reason for John to leave him, to cleave to Mary instead of staying with him, both for John’s own good and as a means of protecting himself (if John takes the bait, Sherlock can tell himself it’s no more than he expected), and John accepts it, hiding deep within his denial of every bit of evidence that gives lie to Sherlock’s apparent indifference, they’re both simultaneously nursing (nurturing?) a terrible pain at the same time that they’re trying to protect themselves from it? I dunno. This is what I see, pretty much. More or less. ;)Oh, I don’t mind so-called “hijacking,” especially when it’s you! :) What you’re saying makes so much sense but I can’t get around one point. John so desperately wants to speak in this scene in 221B. So desperately. He tells Sherlock to “shut up” about 3 times, and even threatens him. But Sherlock won’t shut up. He insists on talking over John and telling his story for him (just as he insists on talking for Mary later and telling her story for her). Even if he feels hurt by John marrying Mary, why not just take this opportunity to hang back and listen? See where this goes? Instead, he exerts extremely tight control over the entire scene. Like he has an outcome in mind and just wants to get there as quickly as possible. Why? Here are some possibilities, but I find none of them completely satisfying:Sherlock already deduced the outcome of the ‘domestic’ (John & Mary will fight but eventually they’ll reconcile), and just wants to fast-forward all of that and get to the end more quickly. Reason I’m not fully satisfied: it didn’t have to go that way! I think it’s perfectly unclear that, as ivyblossom suggested in her meta, had Sherlock not provided these justifications for Mary and (questionable) psychoanalysis of John that they necessarily would have reconciled. Really unclear that that was definitely going to happen.Sherlock wanted John and Mary to reconcile. He wanted to take himself out the game. Reason I’m not fully satisfied: why would he give up so easily? Sure, he’s been hurt by John choosing Mary, but this is his chance to see if John might very much change his mind. Why take yourself out of the game prematurely and force the conclusion you least want? This is why fans have started conspiracy theories about how Sherlock is masterminding some big plan that we don’t know about yet, or Sherlock is being threatened by Mary that he’d better make sure John doesn’t leave her.I just get the sense that if we are to take this scene at face value (sans conspiracy theories), something must have happened in Sherlock’s mind to change his thinking from “I’m sad that John chose Mary instead of me” to “It’s right that John choose Mary over me.” I guess I’m starting to wonder if being shot by Mary had more of an impact than it seems on the surface. “It was surgery” = it corrected something that was wrong. Sherlock swaggers into Magnussen’s office hoping to impress John with his cleverness (as usual) and his conquest (Janine). Instead, he looks like a fool, getting all of his deductions wrong, including his very last one: that Mary wouldn’t shoot him. Mary incapacitates him, both mentally and physically (a kind of freudian castration?). I don’t know; I wonder if Sherlock feels after this that Mary is truly Sherlock 2.0–a newer and better version of himself. That he too has realized his own impotence in being able to provide for John what he needs; that Mary can provide it better. I don’t know; it doesn’t make total sense of all the words and all the scenes (but I haven’t thought of anything that really does…so #betheplant).  -- source link
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