anubianpagan: siryouarebeingmocked:smarmyanarchistrespectability politics is how we get people s
anubianpagan: siryouarebeingmocked: smarmyanarchist respectability politics is how we get people saying the entire BLM movement is a hate movement because some of the protests became riots or because some of the protesters chanted “fuck the police”, but when it comes to Neo-Nazis, they’re happy to engage them in “polite debate” because they appear “dapper” and calm/reasonable. it’s how people genuinely believe that “antifa are as bad as fascists” because we use violence against them. it all comes back down to this bizarre preoccupation with how nice and polite someone seems, rather than the content of their ideas and their overall goals. friendly-neighborhood-ehrhardt its almost like actions are really, really important. more important than words & thoughts, in fact. its almost like speech & thought policing, even of people thinking & saying terrible things, has horrendous consequences for society as a whole, while assault continuing to be a crime does not. & yall are still on the ‘antifa didnt attack anybody but neo nazis, they definitely dont label anyone & everyone nazis as an excuse to attack them. they good boys who dindu nuffin’ kick, huh? because um… most of the public isnt buying it. probably all that footage on youtube of them attacking libertarians, mainstream conservatives, & random people walking down the street. its not ‘respectability politics’. its normal people not wanting to be censored & blacklisted by an internet outrage mob for unproven accusations or wrongthink, or beaten as collateral damage in the culture war. not wanting to get hit on the head with a bike lock or smashed across the back with a sign isnt ‘respectability’. its safety, freedom, & civilization, all of which you dumbasses threaten with your glorification of this behavior. heres a tough pill to swallow: yall help men like richard spencer constantly by proving yourselves to be a more immediate threat to the average joes life & welfare than he is. he says stupid shit into a camera. you burn cars, smash windows, & mace women for wearing parody hats that you cant be bothered to actually read. yall help men like trump too. & its remarkable that you wont give up your massive boner for angry, destructive mobs, for the simple reason that its not effective & turns more people against you every time. i mean, i know you dont care about the moral issues with this behavior, but you should at least care about the political consequences. They don’t care about the consequences or even actually changing things, friendly-neighborhood-erhardt they only care about their own selfish outrage. BLM’s nonsense has been directly responsible for about a half-dozen dead cops in NY and Dallas, and three dead suspects, all of which believed the movement. Antifa has nearly killed people. It has also demonstrably gone after the ‘wrong’ targets, which it refuses to admit. And it gave Richard Spencer more publicity than he had ever had in his life. And I can’t help but notice how you imply bias, even though you have no idea whether the free-speech advocates you sneer at would be just as receptive to Antifa or BLM if they engaged in honest, civilized debate. Which you imply they’re incapable of doing. In other words, smarmyanarchist, your “defense” for both movements claims they’re fundamentally irrational. So why should we trust them? BLM’s ideas include racebaiting and jumping to conclusions. Antifa’s ideas include censorship, advocating terrorism, and failing to take responsibility or realize their crap didn’t work when people tried it in Nazi Germany. And, apparently, blocking people who make jokes. What a brave little soldier you are. Also, people don’t have to think antifa is as bad as fascists - or white supremacists, or neo-Nazis, or wherever you people call “close enough” this week - to say antifa’s violence is wrong. If someone walks up to me and offers me a choice between getting shot and punched in the face, I am allowed to try “neither”. Ironically, this kinda proves my point. If you can’t even listen to disagreement, how do you plan to change anyone’s minds? You can’t even comprehend the idea that people might think reasoned debate is sometimes better for changing minds than shouting. You just assume more moderate people are charmed entirely by superficial appearances, because you’re a bigot who can’t even think your movement might have fundamental flaws. Change the battlefield all you like, OP. You’ll still lose. They lost ages ago. But they blither on copiously to ego-stroke their moralizing erection. -- source link