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anti-them-pro-me:leviathan-supersystem:anti-them-pro-me:leviathan-supersystem:anti-them-pro-me:leviathan-supersystem:anti-them-pro-me:liberalsarecool:White people with guns are not murdered by police. They are given all the time in the world.The double standard is manifest.“In all three experiments using a more externally valid research method than previous studies, we found that participants took longer to shoot Black suspects than White or Hispanic” suspects. In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects, and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects. "“The paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research, which examined thousands of incidents at 10 large police departments in California, Florida and Texas, concluded that police were no more likely to shoot non-whites than whites after factoring in extenuating circumstances.”Fun fact: no they don’ti like how the in first link, the study you’re pointing to was done in the form of what is basically a video game, which the test subjects were aware was meant to test how racist they were. gee wiz, do you think that might have affected the results slightly? also re: the second link, i like how you’re strategically cherry-picking a study which supports the conclusion you’ve already decided, while ignoring studies which might contradict you, such as this one [link] as well as this [link] meta-analysis of both studies which cross-referenced them and determines the analytical flaws which caused the skewed results. at any rate, i’d hope you’ll check the links i’ve provided and re-consider your position, and also perhaps consider taking it with a grain of salt when someone claims that how someone acts in a video game must exactly match how they act in reality. or, you know, you could also just ignore everything i’ve said because you prefer comforting delusion to the harsh reality of systematic racial prejudice in policingwell first off every time there is a politicised death by police I look into it and out of all of them I found two people who did not have a fake gun or attacked the policetwonow I didn’t mention this because that would cause a huge post and also me sitting there tell you why dead people were being unhelpful with there own case is a pretty morbid thing to doon the “video game” pointthat is how all bias is tested if you have a problem with it (which you undoubtedly should) you also have a problem with the theory of implicit bias altogether but since the person commenting was working within the frame of implicit bias I decided to level with them.now for your links, first I’m sorry the first link wouldn’t load I’m not sure what’s up but I’m going to guess it has the same problem as the secondnow this has a set of assumptions buried in it without proving those first it doesn’t prove its final pointit has to prove1. the unarmed black people were also not acting violently2. that there are an equal amount of interactions between white people and cops and black people and copsit does neither and just assumes its due to race. this is a recurring problem in sociology and the humanities (making assumptions without laying the proper foundations for them)let’s take Terence Crutcher, he is unarmed and black (so deemed innocent by the study) even though A toxicology report revealed that Crutcher was on two hallucinogenic drugs, including PCP, during the incident and was acting erratically during the encounterI'm going to leave it there for now but if you want me to make a master post of similar situations ill be glad tobut you might say that these systems are corrupted and that's why they let’s say fudge the evidence but that would fall into a claim with no evidence and we can’t work with thatall systems tend towards corruption that’s a fact but to try to pin it to race is illogical and counterproductive, like the body cameras made a big difference unarmed shootings went down significantly and that solution didn’t bank on race it helped everyone black white and falsely accused cops.saying “cops just want to kill black people” is an oversimplification of a nuanced issue where race may not even be a factor.on the “video game” pointthat is how all bias is testedwhwhatno, bias isn’t exclusively tested in the form of video games. i don’t know how you got that impression. it has to prove1. the unarmed black people were also not acting violently2. that there are an equal amount of interactions between white people and cops and black people and copsit does neither and just assumes its due to race. this is a recurring problem in sociology and the humanities (making assumptions without laying the proper foundations for them)hold the phone here buddy but maybe if the police are interacting with black people substantially more than they interact with white people, this might itself be evidence of racial bias also you clearly didn’t read the entirety of the study, because if you had then you’d notice they addressed this. let’s take Terence Crutcher, he is unarmed and black (so deemed innocent by the study) even though A toxicology report revealed that Crutcher was on two hallucinogenic drugs, including PCP, during the incident and was acting erratically during the encounterinteresting that you’re immediately willing to decide that a man deserved to die because he did drugs. all systems tend towards corruption that’s a fact but to try to pin it to race is illogical and counterproductivewhy? what if race is, in fact, a factor? it seems you’re preemptively dismissing this possibility without actually considering it. do you think it would have been “illogical and counterproductive” for someone to point to race as a factor during the jim crow era? given that, as you admit, all systems tend toward corruption, why would you take the time out of your day to bend over backwards to defend the corrupt police system? I was referring to Implicit Association Test (which has many holes in it like I said shouldn’t be taken as fact) it is a test done on a computer that very much simulates a game (some would say a video game)and you’re going to make me do it, aren't you?the thing me and you both know but your going to make me say it.black people commit more crime https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21if you deny that this it’s a non-starter 13% of the population commits 50% of the murder and 50% of robbery maybe that's why they interact with police more.interesting that you’re immediately willing to decide that a man deserved to die because he did drugs. no its because he had PCP in his system which fun fact can make tasers not work so if you are suspected on being on that or other drugs that make tasers or other measures harder to use cops skip to lethal forceas a cop, there are a hierarchy of people you need to keep safe the suspectthe copsthe publica cop has to very quickly figure out are they a threat and if they are how quickly can I take them down for the safety of me and the public?now this raises a host of problems, if tasers aren’t that effective why are we not developing better nonleathal takedown measures? or if cops who overestimate danger should be allowed to be one? such as police with anxiety or things like that.but once again none of this has to do with race and all have to be worked out before we even have a clear view of if there’s a race problemthe problem is you and studies like that are looking at the subject at the highest point of abstraction “cops dislike black people”which doesn't cover why they would so you have to backtrack and saymedia portrays black people as dangerous or something like that and let’s say that's true why? and this train will go down forever because once again you’re trying to build a final argument on no foundation whatsoever.and that just doesn't work.i like how you carefully cropped out the word “arrests” from your screenshot since that might raise the question of whether prejudice might be impacting who gets arrested. oh, and let’s not forget the documented phenomenon of racial crime hoaxes in the vein of Bonnie Sweeten, Charles Stuart, Susan Smith, etc. etc. etc.no its because he had PCP in his system which fun fact can make tasers not work so if you are suspected on being on that or other drugs that make tasers or other measures harder to use cops skip to lethal forceexcept they didn’t “skip” tasers, Terence Crutcher was tased and shot simultaneouslyalso contemporary models of taser work by causing the muscles to seize up, rendering the anesthetic qualities of pcp irrelevant. but most importantly, Terence Crutcher wasn’t attacking the officers or making any indication that he was going to do so. the footage clearly shows him walking away from officers with his hands up before briefly fiddling with the car door- officers claimed that he was reaching through the window, but footage clearly shows the window was closed [link]. in the entire time he was there he had not attacked anyone or indicated he would attack anyone, and you’re still willing to defend him murder even though the police have demonstrated their willingness to lie. the problem is you and studies like that are looking at the subject at the highest point of abstraction “cops dislike black people”which doesn’t cover why they would so you have to backtrack and saymedia portrays black people as dangerous or something like that and let’s say that’s true why? and this train will go down forever because once again you’re trying to build a final argument on no foundation whatsoever.and that just doesn’t work.see now you’re basically just arguing that racism can’t possibly exist unless it’s justified. i mean, we could point to the history of slavery in america, and how that continues to this day through the prison system, and the way that institutional racism especially in the criminal system are used to generate a system of free labor- but nope! you’ve just decided that if someone dislikes a certain race, there must be a legitimate reason for them to do so. this basically means you’re no longer arguing that the police don’t hate black people, now you’re arguing they do, but that black people deserve it. so does this apply only to black people? or do you believe that all racism is justified? does this apply to, say, antisemitism in nazi germany? 1. no I sent the link just screenshotted the point, and that statement implies the entire system is corrupted with no bases“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” 2. the Terence Crutcher situation is turning into a red herring but I like how you didn't link the videoto me, it looks a lot like reaching in the windowbut have your opinion on the situation it was a complicated onepeople on PCP getting tased(x) (x) While you wait for your cover, it is important to remember that PCP is an anesthetic. The usual police control practices will not work. Control holds, pain/compliance techniques will all be ineffective and will put the officer, the suspect and the public at risk. Once all of your officers are on scene, you can now enact your tactical plan. If a TASER deployment is warranted, I find it very effective. If it does not work, it is because it is a model prior to the X26 or you have poor probe placement. There have also been reports that the probes could not penetrate the suspect due to their extreme muscle rigidity. it was something I was taught in my criminal justice classif they’re on drugs they may not go down and there is a risk assessment there3. your jumping to a lot of assumptions here so let me lay out my argument betterdalmatians have spots. all dalmatians are dogs. all dogs do not have spots.black communities tend to poverty. poverty-stricken neighborhood tends towards crime. not all black people are criminals4. no one right now have experienced slavery or had slaves every race on earth at some point experienced an atrocity i refuse the notion that it makes black people special we suffered no more than anyone else and the thought that we did and that we currently are is what perpetuates the idea that crime is the only way to make it (the only way to work your way up in a corrupt system is outside of it) so I completely reject the slavery notion it’s an idea that has contributed to the destruction of the black community5. to believe racism doesn’t have to have a reason is to believe people are not thinking beings that evaluate and re-evaluate their position. 6. and finally to say racism comes from nothing has some bases though I mean when natives met the settlers 95% of there population destroyed by smallpox alone so it could be weird in us to fear the outside group in relation to evolution the people who were scared of the other survived. but even given that it would mean you and I and everyone are racists. so that leaves the question why aren't we in all-out war all the time? and that goes back to my original statement because we are thinking beings people that are able to move past our biology if needed and fun fact nazis thought Jewish people were privileged that was their biggest argument with the German people so that lines up much more with the BLM rhetoric than my proposition.2. the Terence Crutcher situation is turning into a red herring but I like how you didn’t link the videoto me, it looks a lot like reaching in the windowbut have your opinion on the situation it was a complicated onei linked to an article clearly showing a still image from the video, which showed that the window was closed. how would he reach through a closed window? why are you lying in defense of the police? but have your opinion on the situation it was a complicated onepeople on PCP getting tased(x) (x) While you wait for your cover, it is important to remember that PCP is an anesthetic. The usual police control practices will not work. Control holds, pain/compliance techniques will all be ineffective and will put the officer, the suspect and the public at risk. Once all of your officers are on scene, you can now enact your tactical plan. If a TASER deployment is warranted, I find it very effective. If it does not work, it is because it is a model prior to the X26 or you have poor probe placement. There have also been reports that the probes could not penetrate the suspect due to their extreme muscle rigidity. it was something I was taught in my criminal justice classIf a TASER deployment is warranted, I find it very effectiveIf a TASER deployment is warranted, I find it very effectivedid you read the text before you copy-pasted this you fucking idiot? did you read the words saying that she finds taser deployment usually “very effective”?and the first link debunks your own claim that police automatically resort to lethal measures when dealing with people on pcp! they used the taser first and then incapacitated him non-lethally by tackling him when the taser was ineffectivewhile in some isolated instances in which muscle rigidity can reduce taser efficacy somewhat, the claim that it renders tasers completely ineffective is simply a lie. black communities tend to poverty. poverty-stricken neighborhood tends towards crime. not all black people are criminalswhoa holy cow i wonder if black poverty could in some way be part of some kind of system of racial oppression 4. no one right now have experienced slavery de-facto slavery in the form of prison labor exists right now, idiot. 5. to believe racism doesn’t have to have a reason is to believe people are not thinking beings that evaluate and re-evaluate their position. this is insane. how on earth does saying that bigotry can exist without rational cause mean that people aren’t “thinking beings”? obviously just because people are capable of being rational doesn’t mean all behavior is rational. -- source link