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kiragecko:beatrice-otter:star-anise:70slesbian:jellybeanforest-a-go-go:70slesbian:raging-fan-human:70slesbian:i do care if someone hires someone to clean though like you can’t just throw that out there as if it isn’t well known that those people that are hired to clean your home exist because they’re poor. wash your own dirty dishes I understand what you’re saying, but you also seem to be ignoring the fact that people who are hiring these poor people to clean their houses are giving those people jobs. If they weren’t hiring them to clean their houses, these people may not have a job at all.i don’t agree with this logic. i don’t think we need to settle for a job or nothing, is the same to be said for women who work under slavery like conditions in clothing factories in poor countries? why can’t we fight for change instead of accepting that some people just have to be maids Before she moved in to take care of her, my aunt hired a maid to come to my disabled grandmother’s house once a week to clean for like 2-3 hours and paid her $80 every time she came over. There’s no way my grandmother, who had a bum hip from a car accident and hobbled around with her walker (back when she could even walk), could clean her own house. Maids provide an invaluable service, especially for the elderly and disabled, and they shouldn’t be eliminated just because you think their jobs are somehow not good enough for anyone to be doing. Many jobs like housecleaners, gardeners, etc., are great for people who may not speak the local language, who may have had a limited education, or who came here as adults with limited opportunities. My grandfather, who could speak four languages fluently but his English sucked, became a janitor at the age of 58 to support his family when they first came to America, and his kids always advocated that you should treat blue-collar and traditionally low-paid workers with respect because those jobs are valuable and even someone who cleans toilets is a person who is trying their best. Basically, we shouldn’t try to eliminate these jobs; they should just be better compensated.yes i agree! i think that disabled people should have help and that it should be easily available for them but to me that wasn’t what the post was talking about!! i read it as a wealthy people simply hiring help to clean just because they can not because they need to. in an altruistic society people who love to clean could become a maid without having to depend on it, if everyone’s basic needs where met and no one would be walking hungry without their job that’s a different story to me! so while yes we do need to bring respect and wages to these jobs i also don’t think it’s unfair to think about if people actually need their houses cleaned by someone else! some do, including the disabled, some don’t!But here’s the thing. By focusing our attention and wrath on people who might buy things they don’t really “need” (OH the wailing over AOC’s $300 purse) we lose sight of the actual problem (Uber and Lyft spending $200 million dollars to defeat legislation that would require them to treat their workers as employees). Rich people hiring cleaners because they’re “lazy” is not the problem. It is a symptom of the problem. If all rich people started picking up their socks and doing their own dishes tomorrow, it wouldn’t increase the wellbeing or economic security of the rest of us one iota. No small cosmetic change will do that. Only fundamentally changing the legal and economic landscape will do that. And in the meantime, people’s goalposts for who is “rich” and who is “lazy” will always be so flexible that it will inevitably hit a lot more poor people with disposable income than actual 1%ers. I know as a disabled person that we are constantly put under scrutiny to prove we’re “disabled enough” to afford accommodation so you absolutely CANNOT say “this is the rule but of COURSE disabled people are excepted uwu.” If the rule isn’t built to accommodate disabled people in the first place, it WILL be used to treat us like shit unless we can meet whatever level of “disabled enough” a random unqualified stranger has decided is today’s benchmark, and meeting that will mean a constant surrender of our rights to privacy and dignity. This is all probably useless when talking to someone named “70s lesbian” but I really truly promise you, policing people’s choices and “rescuing” people from immoral or “demeaning” work is not nearly as useful as focusing on improving societal and material conditions for workers and poor people. Not to mention, I know people who genuinely … like cleaning. Or at least, they find it satisfying, and something that (in general) they like doing more than sitting at a desk all day pushing papers, which they loathe. Being a maid or janitor would be a job that they would enjoy more than their current white collar job … IF cleaners got paid well and treated well. And I know a HELL of a lot of people who genuinely like gardening. The problem with maids and gardeners as jobs is NOT that the jobs exist, it’s that on average we don’t pay them enough or treat them well enough.If we think that white collar jobs are inherently better than blue collar jobs, and pink collar jobs, and we think things like cleaning and landscaping are inherently degrading … that says a LOT more about us than it does about the jobs in question.If everybody got paid well enough and had enough access to resources and services that nobody was going hungry, nobody was homeless, nobody was having to put off medical treatment, nobody was stuck in a job they hated out of fear of poverty, nobody was worried about how to pay basic living expenses, and everybody had a bit of disposable income to use on things that they enjoyed, and everybody had enough free time to rest and relax and enjoy life … the world would be a lot better place. For me, that’s the goal. A world where even the people at the absolute rock bottom have a bit of disposable income and the free time to enjoy themselves.And if someone wants to use that disposable income to hire someone else to do the things they don’t want to do or can’t do? As long as they pay that person well and treat them well, that’s perfectly fine.The problem isn’t that some people have disposable income. The problem is that some people don’t. As I see it, the goal is not to bring everyone down economically so that everyone is equally poor, the goal is to bring the people on the bottom up.[Tweet from Novaleesi saying, “I think that people mistake “eat the rich’ with “eat anyone who has disposable income” lol.Idc if someone hires a personal chef or someone to clean. I do care if someone owns a massive corporation, underpays employs, doesn’t pay taxes, bribes politicians, etc. etc.“End ID.]-I have a lot of guilt over having a cleaner once a month. I’m “not even” disabled! An anxiety disorder that frequently leads to depressive periods, and really bad executive dysfunction, but I am fully capable of cleaning.I just - don’t. I sit and cry about not cleaning instead. I get so stressed I can’t care for my kids and I stop eating.Canada has pretty good support for disabilities. In comparison to some other places, at least. But while I can get someone to babysit my kids, I can’t get someone to clean my house so that I have the mental space to watch them myself.*We have the money to afford a cleaner. I’ve never actually figured out how to live like I’m middle class, so we easily have the money. But I’m so ashamed.If it was buying a bunch of new appliances, single use dishes/cutlery so I don’t have to do dishes, or getting take out all the time - all of those would cost a similar amount. Probably more. Most people would see it as a bit wasteful, but not a sign of being morally bankrupt.The cleaner’s getting paid a reasonable amount. I tip well.But it’s been drilled into my head that maids are inherently exploited. That I’m doing something dirty by paying someone to help me. That maybe it would be forgivable if I couldn’t move easily, but I have “no excuse.”-There are rich people who think that giving people money means that you can treat them like they’re less than human. Going into their homes to work makes cleaning people especially vulnerable, and that’s awful.But we’ve jumped past acknowledging this vulnerability to an idea that hiring someone to clean is the same as preying on the vulnerable. I’ve half internalized it, and it is messing with my life.-*It is possible that I could get disability services to send cleaners. My mom did that as a job for a short time, actually. But it would be hard and exhausting. Makes me tired just thinking about it. -- source link