shoresoftheshadowlands: oatmealaddiction: missnickers:rebelmeg:maximumstarks: I’ve seen th

shoresoftheshadowlands: oatmealaddiction: missnickers: rebelmeg: maximumstarks: I’ve seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. Exactly what footage did SHIELD show Steve?Because it was CLEARLY skewed to give him the worst possible opinion of the man that flew around the world in a suit of iron to free a tiny village that was important to a man that died saving him. And THIS is my whole issue with MCU Steve Rogers: he’s too quick to Activate Judgemental Grandma™ Mode before he knows the full story. We don’t know exactly what “footage” he saw or where he got it. Did he just do a google search and watch the first few things that popped up? To be fair, it’s implied that there were a lot of… questionable… videos of Tony out there from the pre-Afghanistan party days. Remember JARVIS’ comment from IM2? Also that Senate video, while I *personally* applaud it, would likely rub someone like Steve completely the wrong way. I don’t mean to slam Tony here; he’s my man, and I will protect him as long as there is life within my breast (to paraphrase Thor), but let’s be real. But, that said, there is likely just as much, probably MORE, heroic “footage”.  Aside from saving the world a few of times over as we saw in the movies, the Iron Man Manual says that Tony had been credited for: traveling the world, helping those in need; put out wildfires in California, while helping trapped families evacuate; helped stabilize East-West world relations; and he saved airplane and submarine crews from disaster. All of those would have had plenty of press coverage, and all of them clearly show Tony fighting for others besides himself. So my question is, did Steve intentionally choose to IGNORE all the good footage and focus on the negative??? Or did he just watch a 2 YouTube videos and go workout? Regardless, what bothers me the most is that Steve completely deemed Tony an unworthy person before he even met him and essentially refused to even TRY to get to know him because of whatever perception this “footage” gave him.  It’s that holier than thou attitude (without bothering to know the whole story), a trait that they seem to have run with across movies, that keeps MCU Steve Rogers from being all that he could have been, sadly. Eh, I mean, it would be easy to get the impression of Tony that while he goes out of his way to help people, his first inclination is not to self-sacrifice like Steve’s is. Steve’s the guy who’s first impulse at seeing a grenade would be to throw himself on it, no questions asked. That’s not Tony.  Steve is coming from a generation of America that was suddenly a lot less individualistic. One of the interesting things about the Captain America film before this was that Steve was more a member of a team. He considers himself as important as Peggy, Howard, and Bucky. They work as a unit and Steve rarely at any point tries to showboat or over-inflate his importance to their cause. In fact, when he’s put on display for crowds as Captain America, it’s made pretty clear he hates it so much he considers himself a dancing monkey.Tony is…not that.  Say what you want about all the good he does, but Tony is a narcissist who is very reliant on praise and adulation. Some of that video footage out there is him pissing in his suit to the cheers of cute girls and then beating up his best friend when he tries to shut down Tony’s drunken party. It’s heavily implied the reason Tony even told the world about his identity wasn’t so much for transparency as it was he was pleased with the kind of attention he’d get. His quips and sense of humor are also kinda textbook examples of the behavior or someone who’s afraid of neglect and wants to be the center of attention. Natasha, in her report on him, classifies him as a raging narcissist and Tony even agrees with her assessment. (Considering Tony’s daddy issues, this kind of behavior makes a weird amount of sense.) When Steve says he’s seen the footage, what he probably means is he sees Tony rescue a school bus and then wave to the camera or fly around in his Iron Man suit while crowds of people cheer him on, similar to how he acts in Iron Man 2. Now let’s look at this from Steve’s perspective. A rich tycoon who’s been sucking on a silver spoon his entire life builds a bullet proof suit designed to shield him from any and all harm, and flies around saving people while simultaneously acting like a giant diva who throws constant parties to celebrate how awesome he is and using his suit to perform party tricks. Not only that, Tony is someone who beats on his friend Rhodes (whose a us soldier by the way) and undermines and humiliates his fiance and boss Pepper Pots. He also constantly screwed over a lot of Shield plans and was deemed by Natasha and Fury a liability because of his own ego. Even with the footage of Tony doing good things, it would probably look to Steve like Tony was a rich thrill-seeker trying desperately to gain attention and adulation by being a superhero. Following that assumption, it’s not too much to say that Tony would cut and run if the danger required he set aside himself and do what was best for the greater good.  Is this assumption wrong? Yeah, but Tony doesn’t do much to dispute it, especially when he walks around Shield’s flying ship acting condescending to the staff and undermining Fury’s command. That said part of Steve’s arc in this movie is coming to respect Tony when at the end Tony does take a bullet for the team and proves he isn’t only here to get his own way. Tony’s arc, conversely is learning to be a team player and relinquish some of his control freak tendencies when Agent Coulter dies. More than that, he also recognizes his own egotism in Loki and manages to use it against him by acting as a distraction. It’s not a coincidence that the movie ends with Tony turning his giant Stark Industries building into the Avengers head base, giving up one of his own self-promoting achievements to instead be a monument to a team. As the films go on you actually see Tony really start to grow as a person. In Iron Man 3 he isn’t so out in the public making a spectacle of himself and does a lot of covert work. By Civil War he’s even willing to bend to the authority of outside forces and cooperate with the government, where Steve has emerged as someone who’s lost trust in the system and feels the need to accomplish things on his own. Their positions have switched, based on lessons they learned from each other. So while Cap is being largely unfair in this scene, I don’t think his reasoning is off base or it isn’t justified based on Tony’s behavior in the last two movies, And I think it’s important to note that this scene sets up, not just a conflict between Steve and Tony, but the basis for what motivates them to become friends and how they grow in future films. -- source link

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