cookingwithroxy: theultimatea:cookingwithroxy: hexpress:eco-libertarian: hexpress: you dumb motherfu
cookingwithroxy: theultimatea:cookingwithroxy: hexpress:eco-libertarian: hexpress: you dumb motherfuckers really are just blatantly ignoring the ICE camp eugenics, huh. You mean the same ones you didn’t care about until 2017?The ones that existed for over 20 years?That were exposed in 2014 but you didn’t care about until now? In 2017, I was thirteen years old. I’m gonna be nice. Because someone should be nice to you. BUT.Saying ‘I was 13 when that happened’ is. Not a good position. For one thing, it only openly states that you’re literally far to young to have a nuanced perspective. No offense, really, but being a teenager is a very hormonal time and we all thought and did stupid things because of that. It’s not a ‘your fault’ kinda thing, but it is a thing. You’re a teenager.For another, it also points out that you don’t actually have a well-informed perspective. Because I’m rather certain you’re basing your views on a bunch of headlines you’ve read and things you’ve been told, rather than any kind of deep discussion or studying of the topic. Again, I wouldn’t expect you to have the TIME to do that kinda thing. Teenager! You’ve got other concerns on your mind and every reason to be busy!Which is why it comes back to the point. We are seeing some shit that’s a problem, and nobody would actually deny that. But what we’ve seen DOESN’T fit the parameters we’ve been told were inevitable. Like of all things Trump pushing to IMPROVE the conditions of the camps, which were absolutely deplorable under Obama. Of Democrats blocking funding. Of ‘refugees’ refusing refuge in neighboring countries and only insisting on walking a long, unsupported, ill-equipped marches across multiple nations to reach the border with major health issues (an inevitability considering what they were doing) and then the health problems blamed on the US when they get here.I’m NOT saying what’s happening is good! Because it isn’t! But what’s happening is also not the evil we’ve been told about. And it’s an evil people were VERY happy to ignore. So much so that when you were a child, everyone was so very happy to never let you know it was happening at all, and only let you know about it when someone they didn’t like became the one in charge of it. You do know that the neighbouring countries that they’re being encouraged to seek refuge in are often the same countries they’re trying to escape from, right? You do realize that this argument makes the thing worse, not better, right? The ‘Well, some of these nations are crime-ridden, so they should cross through even MORE Dangerous areas, over thousands of miles, often on-foot, passing multiple national borders illegally, in order to reach the US!’I could comment about a few things. Including the fact that more than a few people are leaving behind entire families in these countries to come with one child, the youngest, to get favorable treatment to enter the US. Because it’s a thing, I hate that it’s true but it’s a thing. I still remember the girl who died of illness when they finally got into the detention center because she’d been so far gone by then. She’d been promised her first pair of shoes when she reached the US. Somehow, this was our fault.But instead I think I really should instead comment that 1) They can apply for refugee status while in their nation of origin, without ever having to cross their own borders, let alone the apparently crime-ridden neighboring countries. and 2) that there are apparently multiple countries on our own continent that have desperate situations of crime and danger that are so dire that they need to flee to another country for safety… and we do nothing. Except maybe take in a few thousand people who break multiple international laws to get here.I’m not arguing that these countries are in great states. I am however pointing out that people tried to take them in and they said no, US or nothing, even knowing we probably wouldn’t take them when they got here.I’m just going to ask the ultimate salient question.If all these countries are in such terrible conditions and are so very very unsafe to live in (and remember, this is something YOU said, that these countries are this way, don’t try and complain that I’m pointing this statement back to you) what exactly are you advocating that we do? ‘cause right now what I’m seeing is ‘do nothing about the problems that lead people to endanger themselves, but use those dangers as a reason to do the bare absolute minimum and let people skip the law and come in.’ You seem fixated on the term “crime-ridden”, which I never used, but sure, put words in my mouth. And ofc they’re gonna do anything they can to escape, anything they can to receive favourable treatment, because for many of them the options are a dangerous trek to the US where there’s a big chance they might die, or stay in their home countries where they WILL die. “Maybe I won’t die” vs “I definitely will die”; the choice is pretty easy.The US (and many other countries) need to make the legal refuge and asylum seeking processes much faster, it’s because of how slow they are that arriving illegally is their best bet. Depending on the country you’re from, the US is still not finished processing applications from as far back as 1997, before many people on this hellsite were even born. And don’t go on about these people breaking the law, when the US’ current policy on dealing with refugees and asylum seekers breaks both their own and international law:https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/10/usa-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-southern-border/USA: “You don’t have any rights here” -- source link