latent-thoughts: nikkoliferous:shine-of-asgard:lasimo74allmyworld:mastreworld:angryowlet:d
latent-thoughts: nikkoliferous: shine-of-asgard: lasimo74allmyworld: mastreworld: angryowlet: darthatlas777: angryowlet: ^^^This is the moment I stopped loving MCU Thor. For me personally, in this moment he went from a big shiny ray of hope that everything would work out okay to a big mean-spirited school yard bully. An asshole. Not the way Tony is a charming, funny, I-say-mean-things-but-I’m-hiding-a-heart-of-gold asshole. I mean an asshole. The guy who knocked stuff out of your hands in the hallway in high school and laughed about it. The guy who decides to pants you when you’ve finally worked up the nerve to ask out your crush. Someone you wouldn’t want to be friends with. That asshole. And I will forever be salty at Marvel, Waititi, and even Hemsworth for diminishing the glorious, good-hearted God of Thunder and turning him into Biff Tannen. He isn’t bullying him though, Loki was about to betray him for the uptenth time and Thor was just sick of it. He told Loki a hard truth. Loki can be more and became more. He came to the aid of Thor at the end and Thor accepts him with open arms. He isn’t being a bully, a bully wouldn’t give you actual advice. Wouldn’t tell you a truth you need to hear. Everything Thor says to Loki here is true. Can we just break your statement down line by line? Cause I’m really trying to understand where you’re coming from. And if this is the only movie in the Thor franchise you’ve seen, I’d suggest you go back and watch Thor, Avengers, and Thor: The Dark World. That said, here we go. He isn’t bullying him though, Loki was about to betray him for the uptenth time and Thor was just sick of it. When, outside of Ragnarok, did Loki betray Thor? Obviously the first thing that comes to mind is when Loki let Jotuns into the vault to stop Thor’s coronation in the first Thor film. I grant that is a form of betrayal, though Thor choosing to go to Jotunheim and ending up banished to Earth is entirely his own doing. Attempting genocide to end the war Thor started with Jotunheim with minimal loss of life to Asgard? Shitty thing to do, but not exactly a betrayal of Thor. Beyond that, there is no canon evidence of Loki ever betraying Thor. They lived and fought side by side for over 1,000 years. Marvel has confirmed that Loki was being manipulated by the scepter so we can’t really count anything from Avengers. Loki may or may not have acted of his own free will, we don’t know until Marvel clarifies the extent of the control Thanos was exerting over Loki. In Thor: The Dark World Loki betrayed Thor… How exactly? By saving Jane? By taking a blade through his chest and somehow not dying? By offering Thor the throne as Odin at the end of the film? He told Loki a hard truth. Thor told Loki his opinion of him, far from a hard truth. What actual truth is Thor supposedly telling Loki? Loki can be more and became more. Loki did exactly what he did in TDW, minus the almost dying part. All Thor did with his speech was to reinforce the narcissistic abuse of Odin that both of them were (until Ragnarok) growing out of, i.e. Thor being the golden child and Loki being the scapegoat. He came to the aid of Thor at the end and Thor accepts him with open arms. Except Thor didn’t. He threw something at Loki to see if he was really there before proposing to go to Earth where Loki would most likely be condemned as a war criminal. He isn’t being a bully, a bully wouldn’t give you actual advice. Again, what advice? To grow and change? Something they were both doing until the retcon of Ragnarok. Wouldn’t tell you a truth you need to hear. What truth? Everything Thor says to Loki here is true. How? This movie made absolutely no sense. There were massive plot holes and all the previously known characters were acting entirely out of character to what had already been established. It talked down to the audience. I wanted to like this movie so much, but I just can’t. @philosopherking1887 @mastreworld @fadingcoast @latent-thoughts Did I miss anything? If anyone else would like to chime in please feel free to do so, but keep it polite and respectful. I think you covered it well. There was no truth told by Thor since his words didn’t make sense in light of what we’ve learned about Loki in the earlier movies. Thor has stubbornly refused to listen to Loki’s grievances but this scene takes his denial to ridiculous heights. And yes, bullies do give you “advice” if you want to call it that. They tell you, in both actions and words, that if you just change and stop being “wrong” in their eyes, they will stop attacking you. Loki resonates with marginalized people because he’s one of us, and in this scene, he’s treated like one of us; told to change because he’s not good enough, all the while his bully twists reality and claim things that aren’t even close to the mark. I’ve had enough with this shit in the real world. Bully culture disgusts me, and I sure as hell don’t want to see someone treated like this in fiction without getting justice and recognition afterward. . I have nothing to add. I just wish that that miserable movie it never existed… Every time I read something like that, up there, my heart is broken from all the damages it done to Loki and us, particularly, but also at the MCU fandom TLDR: what happened between Loki und Thor (and between Waititi and the audience) in Gagnarok was gaslighting. Hard cold facts were twisted, omitted or lied about to deny Loki his hard won character growth in TWD and make him not only fall behind Thor once again, but to be “deserving” of abandonment and corporal punishment. Which is exactly what bullies do. Don’t ever fucking tell me this isn’t exactly what Thor ‘imagined slights’ Odinson has always done to Loki. Ragnarok just took it to the extreme. reblogging for the good additions. -- source link