mahnati:wanderbrack:Intelligent Systems, why.Static images provided under the cut. Keep readingop ju

mahnati:wanderbrack:Intelligent Systems, why.Static images provided under the cut. Keep readingop just forgot that the reason why Conrad acted the way he did was because he was Celica’s older brother and he didn’t want his sister THROWING HER LIFE AWAY IN A SLIGHT ATTEMPT TO SAVE EVERYONE FROM BEING DESTROYED BY THE MADNESS OF DUMAbut, y’know, wanting his sister to preserve her soul meant he was just being a chauvinist and thought that she was just a dumb woman who couln’t think for herselfalso while we’re at it, never once did Saber try to shut Celica up and was actually very loyal and obedient to her, whatever Celica said she wanted to do, he went along with her even when he questioned her actionsthe only criticism I can get behind was the writing making her gulible enough to trust ht eobviously evil Jedah in offering her soul to Duma, but even then she was facing a dilemma and it was already established that Celica often acted out more on her emotions and sometimes didn’t act on logical thinking (but even then, ALM is also very emotionally driven). Not to mention that the original game also had Celica sacrifice herself to help Alm and she had to be saved by him, so I don’t know where the criticism from remake!act 5 is coming from.while I do have problems with the way Echoes portrays some of its female characters (still can’t get over Mathilda’s capture or Faye’s obsession towards Alm), the way they handled Celica’s story is not one of these problems. If you have issues with the writing of Echoes, at least don’t make old Celica react to it like this is some new bullshit writing, because these elements were also in the original, it just had less script to itOP is way too nice a lady to jump on something like this. Good thing I’m not.So hey, one point I thought was interesting–you mentioned that Celica and Alm are both emotional people who are very personally invested. So isn’t it sort of weird that Celica is the one who has to pay for it, and Alm doesn’t? Isn’t it kind of weird everyone gets on Celica’s case for her emotional flaw, but the one time Celica points out that Alm just marching through Rigel long after the Zofian capital was reclaimed looks really frigging bad, the only blowback Alm got was “WOW MAN, why the hell was Celica on your case like that?! Sheesh! Weren’t you friends for like five days when you were both seven?!” Hell, Alm’s not-logical, class-defying, social-defying and dare I say naive thinking was seen as a virtue. His determination to put his army at risk to save a single life was heroic. But when Celica did it? She was emotionally weak and selfish.Also, sure, Saber may have never told Celica to go sit in a corner and make him a sandwich, but isn’t it a little damning that the writer’s chose him to be the sound-board foil for all their plans? Him, the clearly only Badass Real Man? The same Badass Real Man who wasn’t above shoving a “wow, look at this spoiled little rich princess for actually PAYING me for a job which is what she’s supposed to do because I’m a mercenary and I get paid” under his breath when she hired him? Not to mention he kept calling her “lass” instead of her name, even though she was his boss AND he had long since figured out she was a princess. Which is only one step above walking around calling her “sweetcheeks”.And hey! Maybe the OP’s complaint wasn’t “wow, every man is a misogynist for not letting Celica ride her pony all over Valentia and get everything she wanted for nothing like Alm did!” And maybe her dick brother slapping isn’t sexist per se, even if it looks bad that Mycen never got slapped for lying for nigh decades to Alm, or Clive never got slapped for stealing his wife’s idea for an army and leaving her to die AND saying ‘hey Alm, kill that small child, we have no time to waste’, or Fernand got slapped for being a classist asshole, or Conrad got slapped right back for lying to Celica for years when she thought he was stone cold dead and/or not able to talk to her like a rational human being without decking her one. And hey, maybe we read too much into a woman who was motivated to save her country AND save her loser boyfriend was maybe actually kind of progressive writing (BECAUSE WHO WOULD DO THAT? WASN’T THIS GAME MADE IN NINETEEN NINETY SOMETHING?).Maybe, just maybe, what the OP was saying is that the writing was sexist–not even the writers, just the game she expected both of the protagonists to be treated like protagonists. And maybe she was pointing out all the things that objectively weren’t in the original that didn’t need to be added and look freaking bad for it (like, I dunno, every single panel). Because, yes actually, there was plenty of stuff that “wasn’t there” the first time around. They added characters, including Brother McSlapSense. They added plot lines. They took Saber from a worthless drunk who’s only line was “I’m drunk” to a Badass Real Dude who was worth more of Celica’s time and script then her actual friends. They took “the guy who you only used because his name was Python” and turned him into the most hilarious character in the game. They gave Forsyth a class anxiety. They game Jedah an actual motivation. They gave a flat villain from a completely different goddamn game a different motivation.And what did Celica get? She went from beating off a hoard of zombie dragons protecting Alm while he picked up the Cheat Sword to getting stabbed in the gut. She got a brother to drag her out of danger for her. And she got cutscene after cutscene of her either worrying about Alm, running after Alm, or getting stabbed by Alm.Maybe Old Celica wouldn’t be pissed. But I sure would have been. -- source link

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