winterlorn: rainhadaenerys:eyes-painted-with-kohl:unburntdaenerys:So apparently Tumblr wants t
winterlorn: rainhadaenerys: eyes-painted-with-kohl: unburntdaenerys: So apparently Tumblr wants to see King’s Landing the world burn since it recommended me this gem. One of these losers has made the wise decision to block me, therefore I can only provide screenshots of this big ass brainfart. What are people willing to overlook if they really like someone and in turn really dislike her opponents? It turns out, a lot. Given that this comment was shared by a Stansa who ships J*nsa, I have to agree. They really tend to overlook a lot, mostly reality. Her abolitionist crusade looks righteous and just. It looks righteous and just because… it is? Her opponents are so obviously over-the-top eeeevil that after a while it turns into almost a parody — amazing how just about every … single … opponent she crosses is graphically into rape, slavery, misogyny and vileness in general. This is part of the design — as long as the right people (read: her) are succeeding and the right people are being punished, the audience doesn’t really care how the sausage gets made. How was the sausage made? Well roasted over a fire? Truly disturbing. If only it was being made by feeding someone to their dogs instead — alive, of course. Or slicing someone’s throat after having them eat a pie consisting of the remains of their family who was poisoned beforehand. Blowing up some poor bastards with wildfire. Burning people for religious reasons. Beheading them. Hanging them. Stabbing them. Sounds so much more humane. In theory people would see her destroy King’s Landing, look back, realize the various signs were all there and had merely been obscured (by thrown context and perspective, a sympathetic personal story, and an endless supply of goblin opponents), and take the lesson for what it is: It’s frighteningly easy to get people to cheer on and defend a tyrant if said tyrant is framed “properly.” Various signs? Like, when she let her husband kill her abusive brother who just threatened to cut her unborn child out of her womb? When she locked up her dragons, which are like children to her, because one of them grilled a kid? When she burned down the khals who wanted to gang rape her? It was OOC as fuck of Dany to willingly BBQ the people of King’s Landing out of frustration. “Why do the gods make kings and queens, if not to protect the ones who can’t protect themselves?” – Daenerys Targaryen If people can defend her, a fictional character, to such a blindly faithful, irrational, emotional extent, what else are they capable of doing? Raising over $100K for charity, for example. This is actually what scares me a little. The blind faith and the willingness to defend that woman to hell and back. At some point, you gotta wonder, when are people going to feel uncomfortable with what they’re seeing? What’s happening on their screens, who they they’re watching and loving. Especially in times like these it’s…yikes. My dude, you are a Stansa and a J*nsa shipper. Your guys favorite hobby is talking about Dany 24/7 and how much you hate her. Followed by absurdly hyping up a character that is catty, entitled, hostile, fed a dude to his dogs while he was still alive and almost got their own sister killed because she was a threat to their position of power. Then you ship said character with their supposed brother, whom they used to treat like garbage and still don’t trust. The common Stansa (Stansa delusionalis) spends the rest of their time with not staying in their fucking lane, forcing their opinion on others and harassing those who disagree with them. So don’t fucking come at me with this bullshit. The hypocrisy, I swear. I freely admit that Dany stans who still ‘stand by Daenerys’ and do not see her as a tyrant frighten me. They stan a woman and a family that stands for blood supremacy of white blond people and still don’t get it who they stan. You are aware the only difference between the Starks and the Targaryens is that the Starks aren’t blonde, right? And they might not fuck their parents or siblings, but aunts, uncles and cousins. Dany knows her ancestors “left the world worse than they found it”, so she’s trying to change it for the better. Yes, Dany is a fictional figure, but the prejudices, supremacy, disregard for law, for other cultures than her own, the entitlement she stands for are all problematic behaviours that have impact on real life. To quote that quoted person I’ve already quoted above: “What are people willing to overlook if they really like someone and in turn really dislike her opponents? It turns out, a lot.” Dany is, along with Arya, probably the most adaptable character when it comes to other cultures than her own. She is willing and interested to dress like the people around her, learn their language, participate in their rites. She ate a bloody horse heart, for fucks sake. And remember when Viserys was trash-talking the Dothraki? “These are my people now. You shouldn’t call them savages”, was Dany’s reply.But there is still truth in your words. Dany uses her power to free thousands of people. Unfortunately, she is indeed disregarding the culture and law of the slavers in the process. You know, the one which allows them to own slaves and treat their human belongings as if they’re less worth than cattle. Or when she forbade reaving, roving, raiding and raping. She probably also has prejudices agains people who commit these things. What a bitch. I sometimes wonder if GRRM is as frightened as me by Targ and Dany stans. Idk man. GRRM’s an old pervert who likes to write about underage girls getting raped, and you, again, ship a classist xenophobe with her supposed brother. Those who live in glass houses… LOL. I mean “what a coincidence everyone around her is involved in rape, slavery, mysoginy and vileness in general”. Name me a single straight up villain in asoiaf who is not all of this in one way or another. Just ONE. “I wonder if George is afraid of Targ stans” that’s surely the reason he came up with November as official Targ month. He is really afraid indeed. I’ve seen this argument thrown around, about how Daenerys is somehow an examination of how people end up supporting tyrants. As if the readers of ASOIAF were all part of a social experiment. But this argument fails because it’s not enough to say “Daenerys is supposed to show how people end up supporting tyrants”. You need to prove that this is the case. And so far, Dany antis haven’t done a good job to prove it. Because for this kind of argument to work, we need to be able to look back and realize that the things Dany was doing were wrong and problematic. We should be able to look back and realize that the things we were rooting for were wrong. One of the people above mentioned the movie “The Wave”. The Wave is exactly this kind of narrative, in which a teacher conducts an experiment to see how far his students can be manipulated into supporting fascist ideology. And the story works because looking back, we can see all the problems in the actions of the students and the teacher from the very beginning. When we look back, we can see many problematic ideals that the students were supporting. But this is absent from Dany’s story. When we “look back” at her story, we don’t see “signs” that things she was doing were wrong. Because they weren’t wrong. Waging war against slavery is not wrong, ffs. Killing people in war isn’t wrong (unless you adopt a complete pacifist point of view, and if that’s the case, every character is a villain). The only “signs” you could probably find is that Dany believes in medieval ideals, but if you’re going to call her a tyrant because of this, you have to call all characters tyrants. The thing with Dany’s story isn’t that her tyranny was “framed properly” and this made people root for her. People root for her because she is doing the right thing. That’s why people don’t see her as a tyrant: because she isn’t one. Does she make mistakes and does some things wrong? Yes, but her overall ideals and actions aren’t the ideals and actions of a tyrant. Dany’s actions look righteous because they are righteous This whole argument of “she is framed as a hero because her enemies are conveniently evil” is an argument you can use against literally any character. I mean, I could say the exact same thing about the Starks. I could argue that the only reason that we see the Starks as heroes is because their enemies are conveniently evil. I could argue that the Starks’ actions of reconquering Winterfell through force are violent and bad, and we only don’t realize it because the Starks’ enemies (the Boltons) are conveniently evil, so the Starks look justified in using force against them. I could say that Robb’s war against the Lannisters causes terrible suffering to the people of Westeros and is bad, but we don’t see just how bad it is because Robb’s enemies (the Lannisters) are conveniently evil, so him killing people and going to war looks justified. So this is one of the reasons why this argument really fails. Because antis like to use blanket statements like “war is bad no matter what” and “violence is bad no matter what”, and that therefore the only reason Dany looks like a hero is because her enemies are conveniently evil, but the exact same argument can be used against other characters. . Finally, someone could argue that we don’t see her “true intentions” and we don’t see “who she really is” and that Dany burning King’s Landing should recontextualize things and make us see her in a different light and interpret her motivations and characterization in a different way. But this argument is nonsense because we do have Dany’s point of view. It’s not like she’s a show-only character whose motivations and “real self” are hidden from us. We know her thoughts from the beginning. This is why when we see Dany doing something like burning King’s Landing, we don’t consider that we are finding out who Daenerys really is. Because we already knew who she really was, we already had her thoughts and point of view, and an action like burning King’s Landing is incongruent with the Daenerys we knew (and we did know her, her thoughts weren’t hidden to us). Anyway, no matter how you look at it, these arguments that “Dany shows how people support tyrants” or that the ending is supposed to reveal “the real Daenerys” are nonsense. It’s funny because you could take this text, replace “Daenerys” in the title with “Sansa”, change a few character-specific sentences, and you’d get an argument that makes just as much (or little) sense. All. Of. This. Plus, this is just Stansas (@unburntdaenerys “Stansa delusionalis” I CHOKED lol) trying to explain away Daenerys’ popularity. “She’s supposed to have fans!”Rather than people making a genuine connection to her character, women relating to Daenerys because of personal experience, her fans of color who connect to her because she’s the only character in the whole goddamn show who has advisors and friends of color, etc…rather than those being the reasons people support Dany, they try to explain it away as just, Dany’s charismatic and a gifted orator, like Hitler.These idiots don’t want to look too deeply into why people actually like Daenerys because they don’t want to admit that what they’re accusing her fans of - supporting race superiority and all that bullshit - is what they’re faves are actually guilty of because as you all have said above, the Starks are as white as they come (and have a history of race-based genocide - eliminating the COTF), they’re just not blonde. -- source link