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cold-blooded-replicant:siryouarebeingmocked: euphonism: siryouarebeingmocked: euphonism:siryouarebeingmocked: antelopian: such-justice-wow: thesinisterspinster: such-justice-wow: thesinisterspinster: such-justice-wow: thesinisterspinster: such-justice-wow: thesinisterspinster: blackswallowtailbutterfly: celtyradfem: heardbook: celtyradfem: heardbook: official-mugi: such-justice-wow: opabiniawillreturn: celtyradfem: such-justice-wow: mister-christmas: Hey, if women want it who am I to deny them? Breath play is fine so long as its done safely which is what this is about… Unless you want people to have dangerous uninformed sex? Translation: choking a woman is safe because I’m the one doing it….you can’t stop me from attempting to murder my girlfriend so you should teach us how to batter women properly Hey Western men you are exactly like the Muslim men you disdain @such-justice-wow telling people that choking is safe is encourage “dangerous, uninformed sex”. I didn’t say it was safe I said if it was done safely The words are literally right there Radfems can’t read You know the annoying part is every time I see radfems say this shit I know it’s because they more than likely have skeletons in their closet What are you implying? That usually when radfems try to police the sexual acts other women like it’s usually because they wanna seem morally superior when they are into the same thing or possibly something stranger not to mention that an I might blow your mind with this but lesbians enjoy bdsm an choke play too and hold on an get ready here but there are gals called dominatrix’s and a thing called femdom so in your attempts to claim men are some evil sexually violent force you seem to forget it’s a fetish that anyone can have be they man or woman an the original tweet that is up there being replied to by a known terf talks about how to be safe while enjoying a fetish you may not like but those people do an they wanna be safe about it Silence rapist That usually when radfems try to police the sexual acts other women like it’s usually because they wanna seem morally superior when they are into the same thing or possibly something strangerThis is a pretty stupid argument. Let’s say it’s true: we all like being strangled during sex. This means it’s wrong for us to inform other women of the dangers because…why? Exactly? It’s like saying a mother is wrong for telling her daughter that her boyfriend is bad news because she’s with an abusive man herself. You can want other people not to get hurt even if you can’t extend that compassion to yourself. But I guess these people are of the “If I’m suffering, so must everyone else” variety. Not at all surprising. @such-justice-wow there is no way to safely choke someone. Its not safe period therfore its also not sane There are. Not breathing for a few seconds won’t kill you. The article in that tweet is literally about this kind of thing and what you can do to make it safe. Thats not actually true. It takes a small amount of pressure to crush a windpipe and a few seconds of air/ blood loss to the brain to cause irreversible brain damage. Stop lieing to people (which totally takes the consent out of it) just because you think hurting women is sexy. No sane person will ever want to hurt their partner. Brain cells don’t start dying until several minutes of oxygen deprevation and not breathing for a few seconds won’t cause this because you still have oxygen in your blood.If that was the case way more people would die from trying to hold their breath for 30 seconds to see if they could.As for the windpipe crushing that’s down to hand placement and strength which can be learnt to be avoided and should be before you attempt any kind of breathe play.Also again with the gendering. I’m a woman. I have consensual sex which is frankly none of your buisness and you have no place to tell me how I can have sex.Calling kinky sex insane is so fucking stupid and demeaning to the men and women who consensually have sex and incredibly infantilising towards adults who are able to make their own informed decisions. People self harm for all sorts of reasons. What part of putting your Sexual partner in danger from dieing is kinky? A little butt spank sure. But men are out there killing women and then being like woopsie she liked it rough and i went a little to far. That is not ok and its not sexy. You say informed yet plug your ears and scream prude. Chokeing is abuse https://www.biausa.org/public-affairs/media/strangulation-domestic-violence-and-brain-injury-an-introduction-to-a-complex-topic someone finding abuse to be a turn on should be a giant red flag. And news flash this aint just about you. And it aint about your bedroom if you are actively spreading misinformation thats gonna get women killed and help men get away with it.Strangulation, Domestic Violence, and Brain Injury: An Introduction to a Complex Topic If someone beats someone to death with a golf club that doesn’t make golfing homicide.Disgusting people will use whatever they can to excuse that behaviour. This is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Except there’s almost no bathwater. You dont generally beat things with golfing clubs. But strangling itself is dangerous. The action isny safe and there is no actual safe way to deprive someone else of oxygen. Its dangerous and repeated strangulation leads to death 80% of the time. Its not a game. You are excuseing the behavior of strangulation. Especally when you say things like oh theres no bathwater when strangulation is the #1 intimate partner violence. You are the dispicable one hiding abuse under the guise of sexy fun and games so spare me your bulldhit pear clutching you are actively harming others with your misinformation. And actively defending violence. Again you’re comparing things which aren’t comparable.Stabbings and making a nice fruit salad both use knives but one is a crime and the other is cooking.Also id really like to know where you got that 80% because that sounds absolutely ridiculous and severely unlikely for one of the most common kinks to be performed. You are conflating abuse with consensual behaviours. Pay attention to what you are actually saying. You even admitted that spanking is fine. You can spank someone and cause damage of you’re strong enough and an absolute idiot about it. I wonder what these feminists would think of men who like being choked Considering Celty says women can’t rape at all, I’m guessing she’d ignore or deny those men’s existence. Also, killing someone by accident isn’t murder, Walsh. Ok, but why are you engaging in an activity that you KNOW could kill someone? In any other scenario, putting your hand around someone’s neck is felony assault. The only reason someone would actively do it is because they want to get off on pretending to kill someone. When did society get so twisted? I though sex was supposed to be an act of love. If someone is going to risk ending your life to get off then they don’t love you. They don’t even like you. They could not care less about you, or the family that is going to have to take care of you after brain damage. Pls everyone, act sane for once. > In any other scenario, putting your hand around someone’s neck is felony assault. Like many martial arts?> The only reason someone would actively do it is because they want to get off on pretending to kill someone. Or because the bottom is into it and specifically asked for it, as MC pointed out above. The person doing the choking doesn’t actually have to like it.> I though sex was supposed to be an act of love. If someone is going to risk ending your life to get off then they don’t love you. Or they love you and have very poor risk assessment.Sex is also, often, an act of pleasure.> They could not care less about you, or the family that is going to have to take care of you after brain damage. You are making an awful lot of assumptions here, and none of them are correct. Why do you assume the choker is just going to leave if the chokee gets injured?And I say this is someone who thinks this kind of thing is dangerous, and would never do it. Nice try. Any kind of strike to or grabbing of the neck is banned in boxing, karate, mma, taekwondo, judo, and wrestling. If straight up combat sports consider strangulation to be too dangerous, that’s kind of all you need to know. These are sports where you can punch someone in the face and then pin them to the ground. Yet they consider a strike to the neck as going too far. By choking a partner, you are being even more violent towards them then would be allowed against an mma opponent. Please don’t talk about things you don’t understand. People still die in martial arts even with all those rules.Also, judo, you say?Sure looks like he grabs the neck to me. Unless you meant a specific type of grip.Your logic is like going “people aren’t supposed to drink while driving or operating heavy machinery, therefore nobody should drink at all, in any context whatseover.”Also, good job addressing a single point, ignoring all the rest, and acting smug. Yup. Chokes, totally banned in martial arts competitions and in no way so common you can find a dozen compilation videos of people winning matches with them in a couple of seconds. This is bad from all sides and all angles. TL;DR: Breath play is common but inherently dangerous. That does not mean that it can never be done safely, but it does mean that it can never be entirely safe. The article in question actually agrees with this point. MMA/martial arts comparisons are weird, but there are chokes (mostly blood chokes) in MMA/martial arts. However, directed strikes to the throat are banned under the unified rules of MMA and in most martial arts competitions. Likewise, a head/neck throw are not the same as an attack on the neck, and furthermore an MMA fight really isn’t comparable to a breath play scenario. First, yes breath play is a common kink. However, as the article itself says, there is no entirely safe way to perform breath play. If you participate in breath play you are always putting yourself in a position in which you can harm or even kill your partner. It doesn’t matter if you deprive them of oxygen for 10 seconds, 30 seconds, over 1 minute or if you’re shooting for the Guinness Book of World Records for holding your breath–depriving someone of oxygen is depriving someone of oxygen. Commonness does not mean that it is ever fully safe which is unique among common kinks. Instead, proper breath play focuses on risk mitigation to bring that chance of harm or death as low as possible. But unlike other forms of kink, if you’re doing any kind of choking whatsoever, it will never be zero. In fact, the article in question actually recommends a form of breath play in which one partner holds their breath and the other tells them when they are allowed to breathe again (while the partner holding their breath may of course breathe earlier if they need to). This sort of “breath play” is perhaps the only real way to do it entirely safely; however, I would argue that this barely (if at all) qualifies as breath play. Otherwise, any kind of breath play takes one immediately out of Safe Sane and Consensual (SSC, or fully safe kink) into the realm of Risk Aware Consensual Kink (RACK or risk-mitigated kink). That is substantial and deserves more play than some of the pro-breath play people are giving it in this post. However, just as RACK implies, not all types of breath play are created equal in terms of risk. For example, ligature strangulation, or any kind of strangulation in which the partners are not facing each other are more dangerous. That is not to say that they automatically result in death. That’s the wrong lesson to take from this. Rather, it just means that these types of play are more dangerous and therefore more likely to result in harm or death. That’s all. Anything else would be to overstep. It’s still possible to consent to these forms of play (and even to have them be done as safely as possible), but in my view that consent definitely needs to be risk-aware for it to really count. Onto the argument (I guess?) about MMA and neck strikes and the like. Directed strikes to the throat are banned under the unified rules of MMA. So any kind of attack targeting the neck needs to be something other than a strike. That is not to say that one cannot touch someone’s neck. In fact, a rear naked choke, a very common finisher in MMA, is entirely predicated around using a blood choke by pushing someone’s head/neck into your arm and choking them until they tap or pass out. This is definitely a form of strangulation (though the real choke isn’t the lack of air but stopping the blood in the arteries even with the airway unobstructed, which is why it’s more of a blood choke) so any argument about a lack of strangulation is just incorrect. . Here’s an example of how to perform a rear naked choke from Bas Rutten.However, there are no submission holds that I have seen in MMA (or most forms of competitive martial arts) that have any kind of manual strangulation like you’d see in a horror movie (or in most breath play). So, that’s a valid point as well. Likewise, in MMA, there is a referee who is specifically supposed to watch for and break-up submissions once the opposing fighter has tapped or passed out. This isn’t typically the case in most breath play scenarios, so I wouldn’t necessarily compare the two. Oh, and neck throws are more like headlocks than any kind of gripping around the neck. If you watch how the judo throw is done, the grip is actually on the opponent’s gi rather than on their neck. So, any throw using the neck/head doesn’t really seem to have any attack on the neck or choke added to it. Therefore, I don’t think that’s the best rebuttal to the idea that directed throat strikes and attacking the neck are banned/limited in many martial arts (which is in fact true). Honestly, I don’t have any positive or negative feelings toward the article in question. And I wouldn’t necessarily discourage people from participating in breath play so long as they know the risks. However, they absolutely need to know those risks, and to know that there’s no way to eliminate them entirely if there’s going to be any strangulation involved. -- source link
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