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sprachtraeume: viendiletto: sprachtraeume: viendiletto: sprachtraeume: girlschasinggirls: homonormativism: aneurysmsandanalogues: So women don’t have generational trauma and socioeconomic disadvantages? women and girls do inherent the generational trauma of womanhood and experiencing misogyny. im convinced none of you actually believe women are even oppressed or suffer at all. fuck this Y'all not even trying to hide your transphobia at this point huh? Trans women are not men. Trans women are women. Y'all not even trying to hide your misogyny at this point huh? That tweet literally says that women don’t experience socioeconomic oppression. It claims that women are not oppressed and that misogyny doesn’t exist. It literally does not say that. No one believes that women don’t face oppression and it’s not the point OP wants to make. OP simply says that race is inherited and gender is assigned at birth. This is in response to people claiming “if you can change your gender why can’t you change your race??” You’re not assigned Afghan at birth. Regardless of that, she clearly calls OP a man so how is she speaking in the name of feminism if she doesn’t even want to include trans women in her feminism? That’s just straight up TERFy. I’m sorry that you think that a woman from Afghanistan has to make a misogynist feel included when talking about the violent misogyny she faces in her country. Surely, this white American from Texas is the one really facing oppression, unlike that privileged Afghan… Boys don’t get forced into marriages with men thrice their age, girls do and if you seriously believe that those girls can opt out of that practice by saying that they are actually trans men then I really don’t know what to tell you. Women can’t opt out of misogyny. We don’t get a say in that. Female feti don’t get a say when they are aborted because their parents don’t want the shame of a daughter. Baby girls don’t get a say when their male relatives decide to drown or strangle them just a few minutes after being born because they see girls as a burden. Girls don’t get a say before their genitals get cut off because women experiencing sexual pleasure is seen as a sin, because women are supposed to endure sex, not enjoy it. Girls don’t get a say when they get locked up in menstruation huts because menstruating women are seen as impure. Girls don’t get a say when their community forbids them from going to school or learning how to read because their only purpose is serving their husbands. If you think that this woman needs to coddle a misogynist who has nothing to do with the situation she’s describing, if you think that she needs to include everyone in something which only affects women who live in the same society as she, who experience the same oppression she experiences, then you don’t care about women or, maybe, you only care about women who are willing to put a stranger’s feeling above their real, material oppression. You’re missing the point so hard. You’re defending yourself against an argument no one ever made. All these are obviously problems that no one here is trying to deny. The point is that you cannot identify as “another ethnicity”. Imagine if some random white American suddenly decided they can just “identify” as an Afghan and appropriate all those parts of their culture you just listed and thus ridiculing all those struggles because they habe never gone through it. I don’t understand why you are making all these points as if I argued women in Afghanistan are not facing any oppression. Because you’re actually arguing exactly in favor of what OP stated. The point is that they DO experience this oppresion. Not just them but of course other cultures as well. And that its a long heritage of pain and suffering that’s specific to a certain culture. That’s why someone else can’t just claim their culture and oppression for themself when they don’t come of a line of people who have lived in that culture for generations. And yes even when you argue with trans people you still have to acknowledge their correct gender. If your respect for trans people is conditional and stops when you’re disagreeing with one then you don’t respect trans people. You can argue and disagree and even dislike a trans person without invalidating, ridiculing and attacking their gender. “The point is that you cannot identify as "another ethnicity”. Imagine if some random white American suddenly decided they can just “identify” as an Afghan and appropriate all those parts of their culture you just listed and thus ridiculing all those struggles because they habe never gone through it. I don’t understand why you are making all these points as if I argued women in Afghanistan are not facing any oppression. Because you’re actually arguing exactly in favor of what OP stated. The point is that they DO experience this oppresion. Not just them but of course other cultures as well. And that its a long heritage of pain and suffering that’s specific to a certain culture.“ So, let me get this straight: identifying as another ethnicity means ridiculing the struggles that people from that ethnic group because you don’t experience said struggles… Yet identifying as a woman doesn’t ridicule the struggles that women go through on the basis of their sex? I’m aware of the pain that people who experience sex dysmorphia go through and I don’t want to dismiss that but can’t you see the hypocrisy of this statement?"That’s why someone else can’t just claim their culture and oppression for themself when they don’t come of a line of people who have lived in that culture for generations.”You do realise that this literally what Op did, right? They claimed the oppression that females face for themselves.Trans women experience discrimination based on the fact that they are transgender, not because their biological sex is female because it’s not. On the other hand, millions of women around the world still do and a disturbingly high number of people in the comments is denying or dismissing that. -- source link
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